Man, I'm a Pacquiao fan and I still cringe when I see those GIFs of him getting KTFO'd. I honeslty don't know if he's still the same Pacquiao as he was before. It's highly unlikely. I'll still root for him and shyt, but I honestly don't think he could beat Floyd at this point of his career. And yeah, he's really not in right stage of his career to be calling out an all time GOAT who's still in what looks to be his prime right now after losing (even though the Bradley fight was controversial as fukk) 2 fights in a row.
Pac on Floyd: "He's all talk. Why not stop the talk and say 'let's fight' instead?"
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The only people that accused Manny Pacquiao of being on PEDs were Floyd Sr, Floyd Jr, and Roger. "The entire boxing world"?
And if that's the case, then why didnt anyone else ask for Manny to take a test if they felt he was cheating?
The whole PEDs thing came from the fear of Floyd Sr who passed it along and Floyd Jr ended up running with it.
Everyone knew damn well there was something fishy about little ass Pacquiao starting his career at 98 lbs to KO'ing dudes at WW while his head slowly reached Pez Dispenser status. Floyd Sr. was just the first to open up the can of worms before others would follow.
Every boxer in the world was pushing to get a fight with Pac. You really think they'd sabotage the biggest pay day and opportunity of their careers by accusing him of cheating and demanding he take a drug test?
Floyd was able to make that request because he was in a position to do it and given the magnitude of the fight it wasn't an unreasonable demand. No more unreasonable than Team Pacquiao demanding Mayweather pay 5 million for every pound he came in overweight which as you'll remember Floyd agreed to.
TheProfessor
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TheProfessor
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I think you should try reading my post again. It wasn't too difficult.
TheProfessor
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So how did Floyd manage to sell a million PPV's with Marquez? Floyd has three PPV's that have sold more than anything Pacquiao has ever done.
Everyone knew damn well there was something fishy about little ass Pacquiao starting his career at 98 lbs to KO'ing dudes at WW while his head slowly reached Pez Dispenser status. Floyd Sr. was just the first to open up the can of worms before others would follow.
Every boxer in the world was pushing to get a fight with Pac. You really think they'd sabotage the biggest pay day and opportunity of their careers by accusing him of cheating and demanding he take a drug test?
Floyd was able to make that request because he was in a position to do it and given the magnitude of the fight it wasn't an unreasonable demand. No more unreasonable than Team Pacquiao demanding Mayweather pay 5 million for every pound he came in overweight which as you'll remember Floyd agreed to.
Manny Pacquiao started his career at Light Flyweight (108 lbs) on Jan 22nd, 1995......he was 16 years old breh. You know how much Floyd Mayweather Jr weighed at 16 years old? 106 lbs. He was in the 1993 Golden Gloves Tournament in the 106 lb division
Should we test Floyd Mayweather Jr for PEDs since he made it to the Welterweight limit 3 years before Manny Pacquiao did.....even though they were both at 108 & 106 pounds at 16 years old
Now, you say "Every boxer in the world was pushing to get a fight with Pac. You really think they'd sabotage the biggest pay day and opportunity of their careers by accusing him of cheating and demanding he take a drug test?".
^^^Keeping with that thought process, if every fighter in the world was looking to fight Pac.....then you should understand why he would feel like he didnt need to bend over to Floyd's demands on the drug test when he was EASILY the 2nd biggest draw in the sport at that time and making the 2nd biggest pay days in boxing every fight out
seemorecizzy
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You don't have to since he voluntairly does ransom drug testing for all his fights and goes out of his way to show that he is cleanManny Pacquiao started his career at Light Flyweight (108 lbs) on Jan 22nd, 1995......he was 16 years old breh. You know how much Floyd Mayweather Jr weighed at 16 years old? 106 lbs. He was in the 1993 Golden Gloves Tournament in the 106 lb division
Should we test Floyd Mayweather Jr for PEDs since he made it to the Welterweight limit 3 years before Manny Pacquiao did.....even though they were both at 108 & 106 pounds at 16 years old
Now, you say "Every boxer in the world was pushing to get a fight with Pac. You really think they'd sabotage the biggest pay day and opportunity of their careers by accusing him of cheating and demanding he take a drug test?".
^^^Keeping with that thought process, if every fighter in the world was looking to fight Pac.....then you should understand why he would feel like he didnt need to bend over to Floyd's demands on the drug test when he was EASILY the 2nd biggest draw in the sport at that time and making the 2nd biggest pay days in boxing every fight out
Pacquaio is da the complete opposite
When floyd fought de la hoya he bowed to his every demand
Yall gassed pacquaio da fukk up thinking he can dictate shyt on that level
Yall? I'm not a Pacquiao nor Mayweather stan. I like watching both of em box
And to play devil's advocate, Floyd didnt even start ASKING for random blood tests late 2009....by then he had already become a full fledged welterweight and had been there for over 3 1/2 years, even going up to fight for the 154 lb championship. You dont think he could've used heavily and then cycled off on his brief "vacation" from the sport (the almost 2 year layoff b/n Hatton and Marquez)?
To me, it's just as crazy to say Manny was on PEDs as it is to assume Floyd was on PEDs
Black_Jesus
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what your simple ass dont realize is Floydie doesn't dictate what Manny Pacquiao makes in a fight, he doesn't have that kinda leverage.. he has to either deal with Top Rank, or move on
Black_Jesus
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will the lies ever stop?? ;skip:How many of Floyds opponents before Pac were suspected by the entire boxing world of taking PEDs? He's also the only one of Floyds opponents to refuse the test which speaks volumes.
We're talking about turning down making the biggest pay day of his career and going down in boxing history because of a blood test. Let's not let Top Ranks twisting of facts stop us from using logic and common sense
now when did the boxing world suspect Pac of roding?? who's twisting facts now?
Black_Jesus
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try and keep up bytch boy... When Floydie cal himself demanding anything from Pac, both his previous fights pulled in less revenue than Pac Cotto (ppv and gate)
seemorecizzy
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Yall? I'm not a Pacquiao nor Mayweather stan. I like watching both of em box
And to play devil's advocate, Floyd didnt even start ASKING for random blood tests late 2009....by then he had already become a full fledged welterweight and had been there for over 3 1/2 years, even going up to fight for the 154 lb championship. You dont think he could've used heavily and then cycled off on his brief "vacation" from the sport (the almost 2 year layoff b/n Hatton and Marquez)?
To me, it's just as crazy to say Manny was on PEDs as it is to assume Floyd was on PEDs
We all been watching mayweathers career since day 1.
Pacquaio was pretty much a overnight sensation who used to be an average fighter and then all of a sudden was moving up in weight and was backing down bigger fighters. His head got huge, his trainer has had trained 2 steroid users in the past, and he was scared to death of a simple drug test.
If de la hoya asked mayweather for ransom drug testing, do you really see floyd saying no and callin off the fight? Clean athletes don't act like this
Manny Pacquiao started his career at Light Flyweight (108 lbs) on Jan 22nd, 1995......he was 16 years old breh. You know how much Floyd Mayweather Jr weighed at 16 years old? 106 lbs. He was in the 1993 Golden Gloves Tournament in the 106 lb division
Should we test Floyd Mayweather Jr for PEDs since he made it to the Welterweight limit 3 years before Manny Pacquiao did.....even though they were both at 108 & 106 pounds at 16 years old
Predictable response but Manny starting his amateur career at 98 lbs at age 14 to moving up to WW isn't some shocking revelation. The fact that he got more and more devastating and powerful while losing none of his physical attributes during his climb in weight is what looked unnatural to people and sparked the debate.
Floyd had to tweak his game and started pot shotting and throwing more sustained combinations to deal with the bigger guys. Natural adjustments that are necessary for any fighter not named Manny Pacquiao that are moving up to higher weight divisions. He also doesn't have Tito Ortiz bobblehead syndrome and unlike Manny is an advocate for drug testing so let's not make unfair comparisons.
Now, you say "Every boxer in the world was pushing to get a fight with Pac. You really think they'd sabotage the biggest pay day and opportunity of their careers by accusing him of cheating and demanding he take a drug test?".
^^^Keeping with that thought process, if every fighter in the world was looking to fight Pac.....then you should understand why he would feel like he didnt need to bend over to Floyd's demands on the drug test when he was EASILY the 2nd biggest draw in the sport at that time and making the 2nd biggest pay days in boxing every fight out
You're right and that's why it's called a NEGOTIATION. Both camps had their demands and were expected to meet half way to make it happen. Floyd agreed to pay 5 million for every pound he came in overweight and also agreed to let Pacquiao pick the size of the gloves and Bob Arum choose the venue.
Floyd's biggest demand was stricter drug testing to ensure a clean fight. The same test that tens of thousands of athletes take each year with no complaints and Floyd willingly takes before all his fights. Pretty reasonable considering the scale of the fight and all that Floyd stipulated to but Pac refused and that was the deal breaker.
Pretty sad but it is what it is... the biggest fight in the history of the sport shut down because apparently one of the fighters was afraid of needles:
seemorecizzy
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Predictable response but Manny starting his amateur career at 98 lbs at age 14 to moving up to WW isn't some shocking revelation. The fact that he got more and more devastating and powerful while losing none of his physical attributes during his climb in weight is what looked unnatural to people and sparked the debate.
Floyd had to tweak his game and started pot shotting and throwing more sustained combinations to deal with the bigger guys. Natural adjustments that are necessary for any fighter not named Manny Pacquiao that are moving up to higher weight divisions. He also doesn't have Tito Ortiz bobblehead syndrome and unlike Manny is an advocate for drug testing so let's not make unfair comparisons.
You're right and that's why it's called a NEGOTIATION. Both camps had their demands and were expected to meet half way to make it happen. Floyd agreed to pay 5 million for every pound he came in overweight and also agreed to let Pacquiao pick the size of the gloves and Bob Arum choose the venue.
Floyd's biggest demand was stricter drug testing to ensure a clean fight. The same test that tens of thousands of athletes take each year with no complaints and Floyd willingly takes before all his fights. Pretty reasonable considering the scale of the fight and all that Floyd stipulated to but Pac refused and that was the deal breaker.
Pretty sad but it is what it is... the biggest fight in the history of the sport shut down because apparently one of the fighters was afraid of needles:
could you seriously imagine what would happen if pacquaio said he wanted both of them to do random blood testing and mayweather refused with the same reasons pacquaio used?
TheProfessor
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So? Comparing opponents, Floyd sold one million more with Oscar than what Manny did with Oscar. I'm not even sure Manny's 2008 rematch against Marquez was on PPV yet Floyd did a milly when he fought him. Yes I'm aware Manny did great #'s when he fought the third biggest star in the sport. But when Floyd fought that same star he sold more PPV's than Manny had ever done. Calling me b*tch boy won't change the fact that your man is yesterday's news.