Parity at it finest in the nfl

[Lucky_Lefty]

This is exactly what's going to happen.

Wouldn't be surprised if the playoffs expand to 14 teams soon

It won't. Same argument was brought up the year Brady went down an NE went 11-5. shyt didn't happen then, ain't happening now. NFL isn't watering down its postseason

 

[USSInsiders]

They still gotta be hurt about that bullshyt holding call on the Honey Badger up in Philly a few weeks ago.That was one of the biggest bail out calls of the decade so far.The Cardinals defense basically shut the Eagles down in that 2nd half.Down 3 with 3 minutes left, they almost have Foles sacked, but before he hit the ground, he threw the ball up for grabs, and Patrick Peterson picked it off.

They call Mathieu for a hold on a play away from the ball.The ball never had a chance of even making it to the guy Mathieu was covering.Fell about 10 yards short because Foles was being sacked when he let it go.

Cardinals would've had the ball at their own 40 with 3 minute to go, down 3


That one lil bullshyt call cost the Cardinals a trip to the post season more than likely.

I think the NFL has a NFC East bias....they love sucking the Cowboys/Eagles/Giants dikks

That game was fixed to stay under

 

[Maschine_Man]

The whole concept of the playoffs is to reward the best regular season teams.

If you have a team that plays in a terrible division and wins the division while superior teams with a superior record misses the playoffs, that format is broken and you are not rewarding teams for their regular season records.

no, the whole concept of the playoffs is take the division winners and give them a chance to win the conference.



this isn't like the NBA or NHL or other leagues where every team plays pretty much the same schedule.


what makes a division terrible?
or better?


IMO four 8-8 teams is alot tougher division then a division with 2 teams at 12-4 and 2 teams at 4-12

 

[K-Apps]

It won't. Same argument was brought up the year Brady went down an NE went 11-5. shyt didn't happen then, ain't happening now. NFL isn't watering down its postseason

Different now in that they have openly talking about expanding the playoffs, this will fuel it.

 

[FTBS]

no

get the fukk out of here with that bullshyt

stop trying to incorporate the rules of other leagues with the nfl

you can't change the concept of the playoffs without changing the concept of scheduling…and nobody but you and @FTBS want that to happen

go take your Obama "change we can believe in" shyt to the NCAA

What sports are these? Division winners are guaranteed playoff spots in NBA and MLB as well. I don't really care about baseball like that and in the NBA the best team almost always wins and only 3 or 4 of the 16 teams actually have a shot at the title anyway.

Forgive me for actually looking for things to make sense. 10 or 11 win teams missing the playoffs while 7, 8, 9 teams have not only a spot but a home playoff game doesn't make sense no matter how you slice it.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

What sports are these? Division winners are guaranteed playoff spots in NBA and MLB as well. I don't really care about baseball like that and in the NBA the best team almost always wins and only 3 or 4 of the 16 teams actually have a shot at the title anyway.

Forgive me for actually looking for things to make sense. 10 or 11 win teams missing the playoffs while 7, 8, 9 teams have not only a spot but a home playoff game doesn't make sense no matter how you slice it.

because in those other sports, they play 82 and 164 (what is it exactly) game seasons

you can't slice it the same way, I already EXPLAINED this to you an hour ago

you cannot CANNOT compare divisions to other divisions because
a) divisions don't have the same schedule
b) no team plays the exact same schedule as the other

the rules are well defined. Win your division or get a wild card berth. You're out here simpin for the cardinals who couldn't even lock up one of THREE playoff spots available

 

[Maschine_Man]

What sports are these? Division winners are guaranteed playoff spots in NBA and MLB as well. I don't really care about baseball like that and in the NBA the best team almost always wins and only 3 or 4 of the 16 teams actually have a shot at the title anyway.

Forgive me for actually looking for things to make sense. 10 or 11 win teams missing the playoffs while 7, 8, 9 teams have not only a spot but a home playoff game doesn't make sense no matter how you slice it.

it makes sense when you factor in that teams don't get to play every other team in the league.

teams pretty much play AGAINST their division.
schedules for all divison opponents are the same(except for 2 games)

so in reality teams aren't competing with teams in other divisions they are only competing with teamsin their own division for that playoff spot.
the wild card is just for the NEXT best teams to make it.
teams that were NOT good enough to win their own division.


we could always just flip it and ask why are teams rewarded a playoff berth for coming in second place in their division??

 

[FTBS]

no, the whole concept of the playoffs is take the division winners and give them a chance to win the conference.



this isn't like the NBA or NHL or other leagues where every team plays pretty much the same schedule.


what makes a division terrible?
or better?


IMO four 8-8 teams is alot tougher division then a division with 2 teams at 12-4 and 2 teams at 4-12

The whole concept of any postseason is to have the best teams play each other in order to determine who the best is. How does a 7-9 win team have a better case for being amongst the best than a 10-11 win team?

If 8-8 wins your division it's terrible, period. It's not like these teams are playing all 16 games against the division and thusly they are just beating each other up. You play 6 games against your division, not even the 8 they used to play.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I didn't quite get that. Could you re-word that or something?

If there's one good team in division with three terrible teams, why should they be guaranteed to play those terrible teams...twice?

 

[FTBS]

because in those other sports, they play 82 and 164 (what is it exactly) game seasons

you can't slice it the same way, I already EXPLAINED this to you an hour ago

you cannot CANNOT compare divisions to other divisions because
a) divisions don't have the same schedule
b) no team plays the exact same schedule as the other

the rules are well defined. Win your division or get a wild card berth. You're out here simpin for the cardinals who couldn't even lock up one of THREE playoff spots available

It makes it that much harder to do that when teams with inferior records are taking up two of those spots breh.

You can compare divisions because we all know the NFC West is better than the East and the Central.

No teams play the exact same schedule, even division rivals, so by you logic there is no way of really saying that one team is better than another. Might as well just pick 12 teams randomly for the playoffs.

 

[mastermind]

Arizona beat....

Lions
Bucs
Panthers
Falcons
Texans
Jaguars
Colts
Rams
Titans
Seahawks


now only 3 of those teams actually have a winning record

now if only EVERY team got to play the same (weak) opponents they may have records that equal (orsurpass) that of the cards


and herein lies the problem, not every team plays every team in the legue. so you are rewarded by handling your own business.

your first goal every year is to win your division. then you win the conference then the super bowl

teams dont play to win a wild card spot.

the problem is you are penalizing the Cardinals (and potentially the 49ers or Saints) for handling their business to a greater degree than teams like the Eagles and Bears/Packers just because of this artificial barrier of a division and conference.

no

get the fukk out of here with that bullshyt

stop trying to incorporate the rules of other leagues with the nfl

you need to slow down and think of the ramifications of you disagreeing with "the purpose of the playoffs is to reward teams for their regular season play."

If you disagree with that, then teams like the Texans and Redskins should make the playoffs.

no, the whole concept of the playoffs is take the division winners and give them a chance to win the conference.

no its not. Hence why teams get playoff byes and homefield advantages, and the like. If it was like that, then we would just have 4 teams in the playoffs in each division and that would be it. But it doesnt work out that way, does it?

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

The whole concept of the playoffs is to reward the best regular season teams.

If you have a team that plays in a terrible division and wins the division while superior teams with a superior record misses the playoffs, that format is broken and you are not rewarding teams for their regular season records.

The playoffs isn't about "rewarding good teams" it's about determining the champion.

Win your division and represent your division in the playoffs.

shyt, y'all trying to get rid of conferences too? Cuz the same argument could be made there.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Y'all opening a whole can of worms, we might as well go BCS and start taking strength of schedule into playoff bids just b/c a team has a better record than another division winner doesn't mean the team with the lesser record is hands down inferior (scheduling, margin of loss, ref interference, game winning interceptions - Seattle) change a lot of shyt. The division winner system is pretty fair, some years you do get lopsided shyt happening (7-9 team in 11-5 team out) but like someone else said, the only thing that really needs to be addressed is seeding. No way KC should be a 5 seed

 

[mastermind]

The playoffs isn't about "rewarding good teams" it's about determining the champion.

no, it is rewarding the best teams.

The teams with the best regular season records then make the playoffs. You could pick a random 12 teams if its about just determining the champions.

shyt, y'all trying to get rid of conferences too? Cuz the same argument could be made there.

I wouldnt have a problem with that, tbh. The playoff format is broken, and the biggest reason is because they are beholden to the divisions and conferences.

Y'all opening a whole can of worms, we might as well go BCS and start taking strength of schedule into playoff bids just b/c a team has a better record than another division winner doesn't mean the team with the lesser record is hands down inferior (scheduling, margin of loss, ref interference, game winning interceptions - Seattle) change a lot of shyt. The division winner system is pretty fair, some years you do get lopsided shyt happening (7-9 team in 11-5 team out) but like someone else said, the only thing that really needs to be addressed is seeding. No way KC should be a 5 seed

the seeding is the way it is because of the same people who believe winning a division should mean something. You cant have it both ways.


and no said anything about strength of schedule. You realize no one has said the Colts should miss the playoffs because they winning in a garbage division. Why? Because they went out and won 10 games and proved they good.

When the AFC east was garbage except for New England, no one questioned there credentials either.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

It makes it that much harder to do that when teams with inferior records are

This is how I know you don't know what the fukk you're talking about brehzinksi

The wild card seeding IS determined by record

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures
The six postseason participants from each conference are seeded as follows:

1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.