Pastor provides evidence that Jesus was possibly queer

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

The gays don't know when to stop with the bullshyt. shyt retarded

 

[jj23]

Not today, Satan..

 

[MikelArteta]

FOR GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[David_TheMan]

it might not

but you have to remember "hasmonean Judea" was the backdrop. There was a sizeable greek influence there and the predominant belief amongst those peoples would be considered pagan today

so you have Paul attempting to proselytize a pagan group into believing a new understanding that wasnt jewish but adjacent to it

during that time gnosticism was very prevalent, it is also why when Islam emerged the first thing many of its followers did was destroy many of the false beliefs in Jesus (which there were many at the time, see Nag Hammadi)

so the christianity you see today has gone through many different ideologies before getting to you.

What Jesus said to do is not necessarily what his followers did. Even now it is an orthodox position to seek "theosis" to be come "like God" despite the clear and present warning in Genesis 2 and 3 showing the problem with that logic (mirror understandings)

God didnt look at the waters and decide things about them, he simply said "Let there be light"

Every belief has changed over time.

Judiasm was originally polytheistic, with God (yahweh) being the most powerful of all the God. This was evidenced in the story of Moses and the story of the prophet Ba'alam who God stoped from cursing the Jews in the name of his God. the Moses story having the phaorohs priest be able to do the same as Moses yet, God trumps them because his snake eats theirs.
Then after captivity with Persians, they become monotheists, like the Persians were and there is only 1 God all other gods are false and non-existant, see the Mt Carmel story where they priests kill themselves trying to get their god to bring down fire on their offerings while God does it.

No different than the phases Chrstianity developed into. That said the notion that Islam corrected christiainity is funny. I mean its derived from judiasm and christiainity but it is imposible for it to correct christianity, just like it is impossible for christians to correct jews and muslims. They are entirely seperate faith systems in the crucial ideals.

 

[Piff Perkins]

This reminds me of the push from some fans and literary scholars that claims Frodo and Sam had a sexual relationship in Lord Of The Rings. I think both arguments are actually quite homophobic because they reinforce the stereotype any deep friendship amongst men is actually gay. If I was gay I'd be disgusted by these types of arguments.

 

[David_TheMan]

This reminds me of the push from some fans and literary scholars that claims Frodo and Sam had a sexual relationship in Lord Of The Rings. I think both arguments are actually quite homophobic because they reinforce the stereotype any deep friendship amongst men is actually gay. If I was gay I'd be disgusted by these types of arguments.

Yep, same with Loki and Thor.
There are those that actuall ywant to argue thats a gay relationship.
They literally ignore that they are brothers.
This idea is being pushed for a reason, it isn't a coincidence.

 

[MMS]

Every belief has changed over time.

Judiasm was originally polytheistic, with God (yahweh) being the most powerful of all the God. This was evidenced in the story of Moses and the story of the prophet Ba'alam who God stoped from cursing the Jews in the name of his God. the Moses story having the phaorohs priest be able to do the same as Moses yet, God trumps them because his snake eats theirs.
Then after captivity with Persians, they become monotheists, like the Persians were and there is only 1 God all other gods are false and non-existant, see the Mt Carmel story where they priests kill themselves trying to get their god to bring down fire on their offerings while God does it.

No different than the phases Chrstianity developed into. That said the notion that Islam corrected christiainity is funny. I mean its derived from judiasm and christiainity but it is imposible for it to correct christianity, just like it is impossible for christians to correct jews and muslims. They are entirely seperate faith systems in the crucial ideals.

no this is incorrect

the canaanites were polytheistic, the ancient Pre-torah jews were henotheistic

Henotheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

where the LORD God was God alone but they believed he had a wife (Asherah or the number 1 and/or 10) and a daughter (Anat the holy temple who was considered like a war goddess)

the story of balaam is one of my favorites because his name means "Swallower of the people" implying his food is like the people. This should be contrasted with Pharaoh bringing in Joseph and his brethren "into" Egypt and the ideas of "one flesh"

by default the Levite priests became like the anti-Balaam when they ordered the tribes to pronounce curses from mount ebal and blessings from mount gerizim but thats a whole other topic

Mount Ebal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Moses was "like God" to Pharaoh so the further his people are from Moses the more damned they are in the eyes of Pharaoh...

 

[David_TheMan]

no this is incorrect

the canaanites were polytheistic, the ancient Pre-torah jews were henotheistic

Henotheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

where the LORD God was God alone but they believed he had a wife (Asherah or the number 1 and/or 10) and a daughter (Anat the holy temple who was considered like a war goddess)

the story of balaam is one of my favorites because his name means "Swallower of the people" implying his food is like the people. This should be contrasted with Pharaoh bringing in Joseph and his brethren "into" Egypt and the ideas of "one flesh"

by default the Levite priests became like the anti-Balaam when they ordered the tribes to pronounce curses from mount ebal and blessings from mount gerizim but thats a whole other topic

Mount Ebal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Moses was "like God" to Pharaoh so the further his people are from Moses the more damned they are in the eyes of Pharaoh...

Never heard of henotheism, looked it upa nd they say its relatively new term that there is disagreement on as it literally takes the definition of polytheism.

Polytheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The recognition of the existence of multiple gods and goddesses does not necessarily equate to the worship of all the deities of one or more pantheons, as the believer can either worship them as a whole, or concentrate only on a specific group of deities, determined by various conditions such as the believer's occupation, tastes, personal experience, family tradition, etc. It is also possible to worship a single deity, considered supreme, without ruling out the existence of other gods. This religious position has been called henotheism, but some prefer to call it monolatry. Although the term "henotheism" is controversial, it is recognized by scholars that the worship of a single God accompanied by belief in other deities maintains the principle of polytheism

We can agree to disagree on this one as there is controversey regarding that term, but I think idea-wise we are saying the same thing.

I don't agree with your claim that Moses was "like God" to Pharaoh, if he was he wouldn't have tried to kill him as the popular story goes. That said don't know where that belief comes from, it isn't a Christian belief. What faith is that connected to?

 

[MMS]

Never heard of henotheism, looked it upa nd they say its relatively new term that there is disagreement on as it literally takes the definition of polytheism.

Polytheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We can agree to disagree on this one as there is controversey regarding that term, but I think idea-wise we are saying the same thing.

I don't agree with your claim that Moses was "like God" to Pharaoh, if he was he wouldn't have tried to kill him as the popular story goes. That said don't know where that belief comes from, it isn't a Christian belief. What faith is that connected to?

you may not agree but it is plainly clear in Exodus

Exodus 7:1-4

1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

4 But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.

now you are probably thinking, well what about the attempt on his life?

I would say, the image of God where God made man and woman by default has to be near the womb.

So when you are doing the action, the image of God is near that place

Exodus 13:1-2

1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

in Egyptian, the term Moses was also the term for "birth". So when it says in Exodus 1 that they made two "treasure" cities in Pi-Ramesses (House of Creative Speech) and Pi-Thom (House of Atum) it implies a more massive world between those two cities than what immediately comes to mind when reading it

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Washing other men's feet

 

[David_TheMan]

you may not agree but it is plainly clear in Exodus

Exodus 7:1-4



now you are probably thinking, well what about the attempt on his life?

I would say, the image of God where God made man and woman by default has to be near the womb.

So when you are doing the action, the image of God is near that place

Exodus 13:1-2



in Egyptian, the term Moses was also the term for "birth". So when it says in Exodus that they made two "treasure" cities in Pi-Ramesses (House of Creative Speech) and Pi-Thom (House of Atum) it implies a much more massive world between those two cities than what immediately comes to mind when reading it

Yeah I never read that as literal, but saw it asa metaphorical. Same with Aaron being his prophet

 

[MMS]

Yeah I never read that as literal, but saw it asa metaphorical. Same with Aaron being his prophet

if thats the case you shouldnt take it seriously at all

but to me it has to be taken literally because what Moses is doing is that important for the children of Israel

the context for Exodus is: A Pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph (life and someone with the spirit of God within him) who took two female slaves and ordered them to slay all of the males unless they built houses

Genesis 41:39-41

38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.

the allegory is that Genesis is like the male, and Exodus is like the female meaning without the seed of life only blood and war come out of it. Josephs presence in Egypt is important because

• his brothers selling him into Egypt becomes invalidated and they become implicated as murderers
• Egypt becomes unpredictable and does not store up grain/corn
• Pharaoh judges the land instead of Joseph
• There is no Joseph to retrieve his father from Canaan nor does anyone subdue Asenath/Zulaika
• Without Jacob in egypt the tribes are not blessed

so Exodus should be read with a much different lense than most are doing. IE what would happen if while your mother was pregnant with you, she never actually pushed you out, and you just kept growing? what would happen to you and her?

 

[David_TheMan]

if thats the case you shouldnt take it seriously at all

but to me it has to be taken literally because what Moses is doing is that important for the children of Israel

the context for Exodus is: A Pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph (life and someone with the spirit of God within him) who took two female slaves and ordered them to slay all of the males unless they built houses

Genesis 41:39-41



the allegory is that Genesis is like the male, and Exodus is like the female meaning without the seed of life only blood and war come out of it. Josephs presence in Egypt is important because

• his brothers selling him into Egypt becomes invalidated and they become implicated as murderers
• Egypt becomes unpredictable and does not store up grain/corn
• Pharaoh judges the land instead of Joseph
• There is no Joseph to retrieve his father from Canaan nor does anyone subdue Asenath/Zulaika
• Without Jacob in egypt the tribes are not blessed

so Exodus should be read with a much different lense than most are doing. IE what would happen if while your mother was pregnant with you, she never actually pushed you out, and you just kept growing? what would happen to you and her?

I take it seriously, the story and the meaning behind it, I do not take those words as literal though.
That wsaid we can agree to disagree on that as well.

 

[Striving For Greatness]

The fake white Jesus was indeed a fakkit