Pat McAfee being allowed to act like an entitled hoe at ESPN, it seems

[mson]

There may be more to journalism school, but there is not more to journalism.
You cite your work, cite the support for your statements, you craft a narrative of , ideally honest, the events as they occured.
Thats journalism, that is how you document history.
If you investigate you do the same thing.

If you can do that, you are a journalist. Going to school for journalism is like going to school for any form of art, it is entirely non-essential.

Can one be a journalist without going to journalism school? Yes.

Will going to journalism school make you a better journalist? Absolutely.

As far as going to school for the arts being non essential. You can say that about a majority of fields outside of the arts. Most people learn on the job.

 

[mson]

He's definitely a white boy first bro.

But he gets football players and coaches to talk more about the game than anyone. When he had Saban on after they lost the Rose Bowl we got more insight to his game in like 30 seconds than any post-game interview or First Take "interview"

That is the most important thing that he brings to the table.

 

[Still Benefited]

I still don’t understand how he got so big. Was there a big moment that broke him through?

I dont understand how him or Stephen A or as big as they are. Two of the least funny(who think they are funny),annoying,and apparently and obviously arrogant people are the face of your network?


Not to mention the highest paid.


But i guess you do have to appreciate the equality. Hopefully the other analyst who have to fake laugh at their jokes get a pay raise as well. Because they are working overtime

 

[Tony D'Amato]

U kneegrows believe anything.

 

[Supa]

There's more to journalism school than that. But I let you cook.

As someone who was in journalism a program there's lot more to it...way more. We barely spent any time on citations. The main thing was learning how to write as a journalist, conduct interviews, craft leads, etc. I was a pretty talented writer but in no way could I have just jumped into journalism without schooling. It's a totally different style of writing and there's a lot of nuance that a non journalist has no understanding of.

You're not just winging it. You have to write while simultaneously thinking about the reader and the editor. It's very competitive so you need to develop your style quickly.

It's extremely humbling when the first piece you turn in isn't up to standard. Then when you think you figured it out it's still not good enough. I adapted quickly but most of my classmates couldn't and the professors were on their ass. After we turned in assignments they'd pass around the bad stories and we'd all critique them. I never raised my hand because I didn't want to shyt on anyone but the professors would call me out and make me do it. Then they'd pass around the best one and it was always mine. I started getting published and they weren't. Trust me they were hating and I was the only brother in the classes

A degree could be completed in 3-4 semesters so it's not like you had to be in the program for 4 years but it's necessary.

 

[Jerz-2]

A fukkin punter

His style of humor is corny to me. I don’t know one thing he does that gets him that sort of dough except bro’ing it up

Yeah, I've never understood the appeal of this fool. Dude is beyond corny.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Yeah, I've never understood the appeal of this fool. Dude is beyond corny.

Because he isn’t your target audience. That’s why.

It’s white humor.

 

[David_TheMan]

Can one be a journalist without going to journalism school? Yes.

Will going to journalism school make you a better journalist? Absolutely.

As far as going to school for the arts being non essential. You can say that about a majority of fields outside of the arts. Most people learn on the job.

No it wont make you a better journalist and we have history that shows this.
All these trained journalist where were they when Clinton was bombing the Balkans to cover up an affair?
Where were these jouranlists writing about the ground work being laid for a plice state pre 9/11
They wer all complicit.

Where were the journalist when Obama was murdering american citizens and ramping up drone strikes internationally? They were fawning over him.
Where are the journalist when Trump issued the lockdowns decrying them? They were complict.
When Trump murdered Iranian general in Iraq where were the journalist calling out this assasination and violation of international law?
Where were the journalist when Biden clearly was out of his mind but running for and acting as POTUS?

Stop with the BS kid.
Journalism school is worthless at making people journalist or better journalist.

Being honest, having integrity, sourcing, these are the only requirements and foundation of journalism, the rest is absolutely worthless in theory and in practice.

 

[mson]

No it wont make you a better journalist and we have history that shows this.
All these trained journalist where were they when Clinton was bombing the Balkans to cover up an affair?
Where were these jouranlists writing about the ground work being laid for a plice state pre 9/11
They wer all complicit.

Where were the journalist when Obama was murdering american citizens and ramping up drone strikes internationally? They were fawning over him.
Where are the journalist when Trump issued the lockdowns decrying them? They were complict.
When Trump murdered Iranian general in Iraq where were the journalist calling out this assasination and violation of international law?
Where were the journalist when Biden clearly was out of his mind but running for and acting as POTUS?

Stop with the BS kid.
Journalism school is worthless at making people journalist or better journalist.

Being honest, having integrity, sourcing, these are the only requirements and foundation of journalism, the rest is absolutely worthless in theory and in practice.

That doesn't mean they weren't taught those things. You're arguing something that's irrelevant. You might as well go after health administrators who put profit before people. Schools can teach you to have a code of ethics and morality. But you're on your own after you graduate. That's on the person, not the school.

 

[GilSho]

Because he isn’t your target audience. That’s why.

It’s white humor.

It's like a cac asking why Shannon Sharpe, Gilbert Arenas, Joe Budden or Jeff Teague are popular with black men.

 

[David_TheMan]

That doesn't mean they weren't taught those things. You're arguing something that's irrelevant. You might as well go after health administrators who put profit before people. Schools can teach you to have a code of ethics and morality. But you're on your own after you graduate. That's on the person, not the school.

You don't go to college to learn the things I mentioned. Those are basics of academic writing taught in high school and personal character.

What would health administration have to do with this conversation? If I was claiming health admin is a good major that you need, you might have a point but I have never claimed that.

Professional ethics as a class is worthless. If you have to be taught not to lie, deliberately mislead, falsify documentation, and etc at the college level it's a moot point, you don't have integrity and you are dishonest. A class won't fix it

I was provided the claim that going to college makes one a better journalist, I pointed out that all the college educated journos failed the public. Ironically during the same time non college trained journalists were exposing the lies of the government and providing real journalism. This instantly disproves the notion that college has any benefit on being a competent or good journalist. The only thing you need is integrity, the ability to write, the ability to cute, and the courage to not be bullied. If you can do those things you can be a good or great journalist. That is all

 

[Supa]

You don't go to college to learn the things I mentioned. Those are basics of academic writing taught in high school and personal character.

What would health administration have to do with this conversation? If I was claiming health admin is a good major that you need, you might have a point but I have never claimed that.

Professional ethics as a class is worthless. If you have to be taught not to lie, deliberately mislead, falsify documentation, and etc at the college level it's a moot point, you don't have integrity and you are dishonest. A class won't fix it

I was provided the claim that going to college makes one a better journalist, I pointed out that all the college educated journos failed the public. Ironically during the same time non college trained journalists were exposing the lies of the government and providing real journalism. This instantly disproves the notion that college has any benefit on being a competent or good journalist. The only thing you need is integrity, the ability to write, the ability to cute, and the courage to not be bullied. If you can do those things you can be a good or great journalist. That is all

Wtf are you even talking about?

As someone who studied journalism there's nothing you can tell me nor anyone else who did. School is there to teach you technical ability and standards. I took news, feature, and sports writing and all required different styles. You learn that. It's not something you just know. Take anyone off the street and have them write something in either style and 99% of the time it won't be good let alone publishable.

You're not just walking into the NY Times or Washington Post and submitting articles at the height of print media.

Have you written articles or been published? If not please stop spewing nonsense.

 

[David_TheMan]

Wtf are you even talking about?

As someone who studied journalism there's nothing you can tell me nor anyone else who did. School is there to teach you technical ability and standards. I took news, feature, and sports writing and all required different styles. You learn that. It's not something you just know. Take anyone off the street and have them write something in either style and 99% of the time it won't be good let alone publishable.

You're not just walking into the NY Times or Washington Post and submitting articles at the height of print media.

Have you written articles or been published? If not please stop spewing nonsense.

Lol, there is no technical skill in "journalism"
It literally English writing. If you can compose a sentence to express any idea you have all the skills you need to be excellent at journalism.

You can tell me the name of all the classes you took, nothing changes. People off the street writing about sports on the Internet killed your sports journalism, same with regular people off the street writing about politics , international events, crimes, and etc have shown to be able to perform the same damn task as all the "college educated" journalist majors.

The NY times and Washington Post are losing money and heading to the grave, you holding on to vestiges of an era built on myth is quite funny. Reality has shown us how much of a joke the supposed papers of records are in their research , personnel, and etc.

I have written two papers for academic journals, both ties to my dissertation. I also used to write for a semi popular Nintendo blog 20+ years ago

I saw the reality of kids and young adults providing more informative content that the professionals first hand as the Internet websites started killing traditional media in all the different media types.