Patrick Mahomes career is more in line with Brett Favre's than Tom Brady's...

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Last year? How you just gonna ignore THIS year?

Don't take it as an insult, most people are casual/average fans. I don't expect anyone to watch football the way I do. I monitor body language on the sidelines, my g. I have a sickness.

But I'll break it down for you out of love, this ain't no arguing shyt.

Stefon Diggs caught 63 passes last year in Minnesota. He caught more than DOUBLE that, 127, this year. Diggs never made a Pro Bowl in Minnesota. Diggs was always #2 behind Adam Thielen in Minnesota. Stefon Diggs' track record does not indicate THIS type of season.

The truth behind Josh's improved accuracy is his improved FOOTWORK. I saw that when he came into the league because I'm insane when it comes to this shyt. Don't ever say you watch football like me because you'd be insulting yourself. I dedicate way too much time to this, breh. Josh's completion % was low in college because he was often running for his life and NEVER set his feet. But his mechanics have developed. His hip rotation has FAR more to do with his completion % than Diggs. Again, I WATCH these games and throws closely. It's not just about numbers, it's about BALL PLACEMENT. Where are the receiver's hands as he catches the ball? Does he have to outstretch them? Does the receiver have to stop or turn around to catch the ball? All of this matters when comparing the elite. Josh and Deshaun BOTH put the ball right there more often than Mahomes, regardless of who the receiver is. Kelce and Hill stay pirouetting in the air making amazing catches because the pass is a little off. Then they have the speed to take off and gain more yards for Mahomes' stat sheet.

Best thrown Mahomes made last night was the joint Tyreek dropped. Stat sheet said 0-1, 0 yards, 0.0 passer rating. Eye test said best throw of the night.

Josh Allen completed 69% of his passes for a whole season. Watson completed 70%. Mahomes has never completed more than 66%. He doesn't even beat them by the numbers test, let alone the eye.

The one to Hill was dope but the one to Robinson that he dropped might be one of THE all-time great throws in NFL history

 

[filial_piety]

I have him winning 2 more...it's a random number with free agency, wear and tear, players moving around etc etc...I don't see the 4+....one of the big parts to the Chiefs offense is obviously TH and kelce....but I don't think TH can be that fast for another 5-10 years...and Kelce is already over 30...so who do you replace those guys with to win multiple SBs?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Diggs played in a super run heavy offense the last year in Minny and was used as primarily a deep threat. When Defilippo was the OC in Minny Kirk’s first year he got more targets all over the field and had 102 catches.

If you’ve seen Diggs you’d know this type of season was in him.

102 127

Again, Theilen ATE in Minny. Diggs not as much.

Now go ahead and tell me the same thing for John Brown... Cole Beasley...

Allen was not constantly running for his life in college stop, second I’m far from novice or casual, and if we gon talk Turkey pull these all 22 that you have access to of Allen mahomes and Watson

now i found this against boise st in 17 his footwork looks decent, but for all intents and purposes this was at the level of the school he was attending so it should be an even match, he had 3-4 seconds per throw, he often left the pocket early( because he felt he could out run most the defense or shake them off) i saw errant throws and and bad reads, foot work helps but either you are accurate or you aren’t,




he has improved no doubt, but Diggs caught a majority of his balls on no more than 20 yards so how fukking accurate do you have to be to hit a motherfukker 20 yards away


And last i checked none of these teams played the same schedule so how can you honestly compare i know good and damn well i saw plenty of passes behind wrs on simple drags from Allen i also saw him lead them with a good throw too

Breh, FIRST THROW! He doesn't step into the throw. He doesn't rotate his hips. That throw was 95% arm. Jordan Palmer said Josh Allen had no idea he was supposed to be using his lower body to pass. He was the posterchild for raw as a QB. To be "accurate" he has to step into that throw and rotate his hips until his back foot is off the ground. He had all day on that throw but simply didn't do what he was supposed to. That's not even sloppy mechanics, that's NO mechanics. The very first throw in the clip shows why Josh Allen struggled with ball placement.

The one to Hill was dope but the one to Robinson that he dropped might be one of THE all-time great throws in NFL history

That's the one I meant. It was actually Williams. He was slinging that pill but his team still got blown out. That's why I say you can't just look at numbers or even wins and losses if you TRULY wanna break a player down. Especially in football where it's 22 on 22.

 

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102 127

Again, Theilen ATE in Minny. Diggs not as much.

Now go ahead and tell me the same thing for John Brown... Cole Beasley...




Breh, FIRST THROW! He doesn't step into the throw. He doesn't rotate his hips. That throw was 95% arm. Jordan Palmer said Josh Allen had no idea he was supposed to be using his lower body to pass. He was the posterchild for raw as a QB. To be "accurate" he has to step into that throw and rotate his hips until his back foot is off the ground. He had all day on that throw but simply didn't do what he was supposed to. That's not even sloppy mechanics, that's NO mechanics. The very first throw in the clip shows why Josh Allen struggled with ball placement.



That's the one I meant. It was actually Williams. He was slinging that pill but his team still got blown out. That's why I say you can't just look at numbers or even wins and losses if you TRULY wanna break a player down. Especially in football where it's 22 on 22.

My bad. Williams. Word. People, simple minded people, are so fixated on raw numbers and narrative. Can't stand 'em.

 

[Stone]

102 127

Again, Theilen ATE in Minny. Diggs not as much.

Now go ahead and tell me the same thing for John Brown... Cole Beasley...

you said Diggs didn’t have the track record to do what he did in Buffalo which was incorrect, especially if you’ve watched him play this whole time. He was one of the best route runners in the league if not THE best a couple years ago.

really you could say the same for John Brown too, injuries were the main thing that held him back early in his career and him being pigeonholed as strictly a speed guy.

beasley is/was a solid slot guy who is putting up decent numbers on increased volume in recent years

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

you said Diggs didn’t have the track record to do what he did in Buffalo which was incorrect, especially if you’ve watched him play this whole time. He was one of the best route runners in the league if not THE best a couple years ago.

really you could say the same for John Brown too, injuries were the main thing that held him back early in his career and him being pigeonholed as strictly a speed guy.

beasley is/was a solid slot guy who is putting up decent numbers on increased volume in recent years

Diggs was the 2nd best receiver on his own team. Up your "Stefon Diggs is the best receiver in the league" thread from 2 years ago.

 

[Stone]

Diggs was the 2nd best receiver on his own team. Up your "Stefon Diggs is the best receiver in the league" thread from 2 years ago.

Diggs being better than Thielen was a fairly common football take amongst the die hards. Idk why this is so shocking. And I said best route runner not best receiver.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Diggs being better than Thielen was a fairly common football take amongst the die hards. Idk why this is so shocking. And I said best route runner not best receiver.

Diggs, Brown and Beasley... ALL had career years. Diggs DOUBLED up on receptions. Allen finished 2nd in MVP voting.

Stop, breh.

 

[Stone]

Diggs, Brown and Beasley... ALL had career years. Diggs DOUBLED up on receptions. Allen finished 2nd in MVP voting.

Stop, breh.

All were good receivers before they got to Buffalo who didn’t have the volume stats. Diggs is gonna be Diggs everywhere, same with Smoke. sorry it took you this long to catch up but glad you’re here now

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

All were good receivers before they got to Buffalo who didn’t have the volume stats. Diggs is gonna be Diggs everywhere, same with Smoke. sorry it took you this long to catch up but glad you’re here now

That's eaxactly my point. They were all good receivers who ALL had the BEST seasons of their good careers. They were all good, but never THIS good. That's what happens when you get with a GOOD QB.

Diggs 5 years in Minny: 0 Pro Bowls
Diggs 1 year in Buffalo: 1 ALL fukking PRO

 

[Stone]

That's eaxactly my point. They were all good receivers who ALL had the BEST seasons of their good careers. They were all good, but never THIS good. That's what happens when you get with a GOOD QB.

Diggs 5 years in Minny: 0 Pro Bowls
Diggs 1 year in Buffalo: 1 ALL fukking PRO

Increase in volume stats don’t necessarily indicate being better than you were before. Neither do media awards

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Increase in volume stats don’t necessarily indicate being better than you were before. Neither do media awards

Exactly my point again. Diggs isn't better. He's just playing with a much better QB.

 

[Stone]

Exactly my point again. Diggs isn't better. He's just playing with a much better QB.

Or he’s playing in a pass heavy offense with a heavy focus on him, which he wasn’t last year because Minny ran their offense through Cook.

your original post that I quoted said that Stefan Diggs’ track record doesn’t indicate the type of season, that was incorrect and you’ve yet to say anything that would prove otherwise.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Or he’s playing in a pass heavy offense with a heavy focus on him, which he wasn’t last year because Minny ran their offense through Cook.

your original post that I quoted said that Stefan Diggs’ track record doesn’t indicate the type of season, that was incorrect and you’ve yet to say anything that would prove otherwise.

Ok guy keep telling yourself that.

It's obvious Josh Allen is an elite level QB though for anyone who truly understands the game, and should be even for those who don't. Some people just love being stubborn though.

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Very similar to Favre

Both QBs with ties to the West Coast coaching tree and offensive system. Andy Reid is Mahome's HC and was Favre's QB coach

Cowboys & Niners owned the NFC (Favre)
Pats owned the AFC (Mahomes)

both won SB at a young age

both had unusual arm talent

both were crowned by the media

both went to B2B SBs and they were favored in the 2nd SB...both lost to all time great QBs

Very similar career trajectory

So Favre and Mahomes co-GOAT?