Paul Krugman shyts on bitcoin

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isnt that market disgustingly out of control and inflated?

Yes, but it's leveled out a lot and has been correcting the last two years. Other devices could have been used to control the market in NYC. The tax plan and loss of SALT is going to cause chaos and really hurt all homeowners and as it's Americans main asset and the incentive has always been real estate in this country. People will get hit with a doubly whammy, with the loss of SALT sans 10k Americans taxable income will increase while their primary asset(often only asset) will decrease in value due to market forces. There will also be larger ripple effect on local and state government budgets and debt. I think this could be worse than 2008.
 

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Yes, but it's leveled out a lot and has been correcting the last two years. Other devices could have been used to control the market in NYC. The tax plan and loss of SALT is going to cause chaos and really hurt all homeowners and as it's Americans main asset and the incentive has always been real estate in this country. People will get hit with a doubly whammy, with the loss of SALT sans 10k Americans taxable income will increase while their primary asset(often only asset) will decrease in value due to market forces. There will also be larger ripple effect on local and state government budgets and debt. I think this could be worse than 2008.
interesting :ehh:

but lets be honest at the bolded; if theres another way of making state and local democrats lower taxes, im almost positive that no one on earth knows what it is :patrice:what are these other devices, and why are they not being used in NY/CA etc?
 

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interesting :ehh:

but lets be honest at the bolded; if theres another way of making state and local democrats lower taxes, im almost positive that no one on earth knows what it is :patrice:what are these other devices, and why are they not being used in NY/CA etc?

Well other ways to solve the market issues would be denser construction and zoning considerations geared towards housing, Treasury Department recently put tougher money laundering regs in place(good start), less tax incentives for ultra luxury developments, tax reform on condos and co-ops(their taxes are too low), increase the price and performance of EB5 funding, and there's probably some other things I'm not thinking of I haven't had my coffee yet.

Edit: They also been combing municipalities and services the last few years where a lot of savings can be found. I'm not sure how it is in other states but we have a lot of historical overlapping entities ie villages, towns, hamlets etc..


Well at the state and local level there are responsibilities that have to be funded it's fairly complicated but the property taxes have been capped for years at 1.5% or something similar. School taxes aren't capped but are voted on. I think Medicaid is put on individual counties depending on the number of recipients. At the end of the day low taxes are great but I'd rather have a greater standard of living and services than low taxes and the problems often associated with it. I also have to point out taxes are higher in suburban NY than in NYC. For instance in NYC you could have 10k a year in property taxes on a 900k plus house where in Long Island, Westchester, Capital Region you could have a 600k house and 10k a year in property taxes.

At the end of the day the local taxes/debt isn't the really the problem, the problem is the elimination of SALT and states/taxpayers that have local taxes getting soaked by this tax bill.

Trump has called the deduction “unfair” because it means high-tax states shift some of their tax burden to states like Indiana and Iowa. An October report from Thomas DiNapoli, New York’s state comptroller, revealed the state pays on average 50 percent more in revenues to the federal government per capita than Indiana and Iowa. The same report showed that states benefiting most from SALT are more likely to be considered “new donors,” meaning the state pays more in federal taxes than it receives in a fiscal year. The letter also stated that New York would be hit hardest by this elimination, as 3.2 million residents, primarily lower- and middle-income homeowners, claim the deduction.


I'm not familiar enough with California but suburban sprawl comes to mind
 

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Basically any “establishment” economists shytting on bitcoin are either doing two things.

Either they are feeling their normal institutions and norms being threaten by this currency they can’t control and will never accept it because their self interest is at stake.

Or they are purposely using their credentials to try and spread doubts about the market and drive the price down to buy some on the sly.

Crypto currency will have crashes and has had some before. Bit coin went up to 36 dollars I think in 2011 only to drop down to .08 dollars later that year. But even if bitcoin dies, the cryptoMarket is here to stay and will be replaced by something else.

THIS!
 

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The real Bitcoin breakdown. . .

Cryptos are here to stay because they are integral parts of a larger conspiracy. . . Yea, I know, I know. Just follow.

We all know there is a push to digitize ALL currency. The ONLY real way to have the world accept this is to have it become more valuable than cash at some point. Soooo. . .

At some point we will see central banks building baskets of cryptos. Once that happens they will be accepted all over the place. It will be as easy to buy shyt with btc as it is your amex. Then major currencies will start collapsing for many reasons. . . But not the cryptos. Cryptos are to be the one world currency they want to usher in.

Bitcoin is volatile, but don't be fooled. It will be worth sooooo much more in the coming years.
 

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This is why they hate Crypto:


ANDREAS TREICHL
Chief executive officer, Erste Group Bank AG
11/30/2017
“I’m not” a bitcoin believer. “My kids think I’m really stupid ... they could have made a lot of money and I didn’t allow them to invest in it ... It’s fascinating but it will make central banks lose control, and they are not going to let this happen. At some point in time, maybe at $20,000, $25,000, $30,000, somebody will say ‘Stop!’”– 11/30/2017

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