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The problem with that theory is that Trump is solidifying Ohio and Florida. He’s going to go to Ohio and say I took on the Chinese when it comes to trade ( a huge thing for them) and he’s going to go to Florida and go white nationalism again ( which just worked for Desantis).
 

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The problem with that theory is that Trump is solidifying Ohio and Florida. He’s going to go to Ohio and say I took on the Chinese when it comes to trade ( a huge thing for them) and he’s going to go to Florida and go white nationalism again ( which just worked for Desantis).

Dems can still (barely) beat Trump without Ohio and Florida.

But they HAVE to have Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to do it.
 

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Dems can still (barely) beat Trump without Ohio and Florida.

But they HAVE to have Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to do it.
wisconsin is the most risky of those four to me. last night was a good sign for wisconsin politics but its still a state that voted for scott walker three times
 

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The problem with that theory is that Trump is solidifying Ohio and Florida. He’s going to go to Ohio and say I took on the Chinese when it comes to trade ( a huge thing for them) and he’s going to go to Florida and go white nationalism again ( which just worked for Desantis).

On trade, Sherrod Brown has long been for protectionist measures, against NAFTA and other free trade deals. That plays well in Ohio.

wisconsin is the most risky of those four to me. last night was a good sign for wisconsin politics but its still a state that voted for scott walker three times

Despite that, Obama won it even after the Koch head Tea Party wave. Hillary barely lost it herself.
 

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Dems can still (barely) beat Trump without Ohio and Florida.

But they HAVE to have Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to do it.
Yet we have dummies in my other thread insisting we should waste valueable resources on winning Southern states that rarely elects Dems instead of putting all our funding into winning these key states. And we wonder why Republicans rule the government. :snoop:
 

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Yet we have dummies in my other thread insisting we should waste valueable resources on winning Southern states that rarely elects Dems instead of putting all our funding into winning these key states. And we wonder why Republicans rule the government. :snoop:
If you can pick one red state you can “waste resources” which one would you pick?
 

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The problem with that theory is that Trump is solidifying Ohio and Florida. He’s going to go to Ohio and say I took on the Chinese when it comes to trade ( a huge thing for them) and he’s going to go to Florida and go white nationalism again ( which just worked for Desantis).

Yet we have dummies in my other thread insisting we should waste valueable resources on winning Southern states that rarely elects Dems instead of putting all our funding into winning these key states. And we wonder why Republicans rule the government. :snoop:

Please look:

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The last two Democratic presidents won 4 Southern states and 3 Southern states respectively, and not even the same ones. Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, one vote in Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida have ALL changed hands at some point in the last 20 years.

Claiming that some state is "off limits" for future elections is dumb if all your're looking at is recent election results with no context. Florida frequently falls into Dem hands and just gave over a million people with felonies the vote back who had previously been disenfranchised. Texas and Georgia just came within 2% of going to Dems and both of them have been becoming MORE liberal with MORE liberal demographics over the last few years, and will continue to do so. Virginia went from a sure-thing for red to damn near a sure-thing for Blue in just four elections. And North Carolina is definitely in play now.

Meanwhile, all sorts of states that used to be in play for Blue, like West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennesse, Arkansas, and Lousiana are not realistic options anymore most of the time. Indiana, Missouri, and Arizona look way tougher too. Iowa harder than it used to be as well.
 

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Iowa is not a waste of resources. Hilary barely won the Iowa caucus. Barely.
You misunderstood me, those are the states we should invest in, Iowa, NC and VA.

Georgia, Texas are a waste.

Would only invest in Florida if Biden is the nominee.
 

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You misunderstood me, those are the states we should invest in, Iowa, NC and VA.

Georgia, Texas are a waste.

Would only invest in Florida if Biden is the nominee.
I was looking at the numbers from the Arizona 2016 results. It was kind of kinda interesting.
 

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You misunderstood me, those are the states we should invest in, Iowa, NC and VA.

Georgia, Texas are a waste.

Would only invest in Florida if Biden is the nominee.
:childplease:

Iowa has 6 electoral votes! Texas and Florida have 38 and 29 respectively, and just had down to the wire races in which Democrats had the best results they've had in a generation for the former, and enfranchised 1.4 million people in the latter. Why in God's name should Democrats abandon them? Imagine if Republicans came within the margin of error of taking a California Gubernatorial or Senate seat and decided to back off after. We would all rightfully breath a sigh of relief and laugh in their faces. Texas and Florida are the exact states Democrats should be pushing the gas pedal on.
 
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