People Need To Stop Acting Like Lil Wayne Wasnt The Weakest Link Of The Hot Boys

[tone wone]

Yung n Thuggin >>>>>> The Block Is Hot

Its hard to call Wayne the weakest link due to how much more popular he was than Turk. This aint a Wishbone situation where not only are your verses average but if you erased em, no one would miss em. Wayne had a fanbase and his verses had certain a appeal. I dont know why he stood out more than Turk but he obviously did.

Whats trips me out is how close he and BG are in age, yet that nikka Gizzle seemed like he was in late 20s they way he was spittin'.

I cant believe nikkas actually believe hot boy-era Wayne was better than Gizzle. Like, I dont know how one can even formulate an argument in Wayne's favor.

 

[Still Benefited]

yea, it went plat because cash money relentlessly pushed that album for an entire year. they pushed it harder than darn near every cmr release from that era.

yet, the album got no luv and was seen as a dissappointing follow-up to a debut album that wasnt held in high-regard to begin with.

stop rewriting a history that you clearly didnt experience.



nothing close to what "lights out" did? "lights out" didnt do chit.

what does 400 degreez have to do with this? nobody is talking about juvenile.........hold up.....please tell me that youre not referring to 500 DEGREEZ.

and since yall seem to be enamored with numbers, surely you would know that the sales for "young and thuggin" before they halted the promotion were more impressive than the sales for "lights out". if turk was given half the promotion that wayne had, he wouldve outsold "lights out" with ease.



heres the thing, its not about what i personally think.

wayne was only held in high-regard by kids and females. and looking at the posters in disagreement, most of them were kids when this was going on, some of them still are kids in 2013, meaning that they werent around at all back then. and some of these other posters are kind of casual rap fans, i already know.



yea, im not saying he was wack.

like i said in the other thread, i was a fan of wayne. i even bought the retail copy of "tha block is hot" AFTER i heard the album and knew that half of it was weak.



so wayne had upside but turk & BG didnt? they were each a year apart from each other in age. this whole idea that wayne was some snot-nosed kid rapping amongst a bunch of grown men is

you really wanted to see what wouldve happened if wayne didnt switch his style up? were the 5......count em........FIVE years of fails & f*ckery not enough for you? do you not remember him basically carrying the big tymers' bags to stay relevant? do you not remember his failed albums & mixtapes? do you not remember him getting chitted on by UTP? do you not remember them scrapping the original carter 1 right before it was supposed to be released because the single flopped and everybody basically ignored that nicca? do you not remember them re-releasing the album a year later with him spittin' blatantly ghostwritten bars from gillie da kid?





reading this entry, its obvious that you didnt follow cash money at all, so why bother posting that?

It ain't a age thing in regards to upside its a star power content thing.......If they were paying attention to the direction the game was going in Wayne definitly had the bigger upside.....that straight gutter shyt BG bought to the table artistically and rhyme wise I don't think he was diverse enough to survive commercially into the 2000's and surely you would have to agree if u look at BG's decline commercially as Wayne rose up that's a accurate statement....how u gon question a hunch that's later been proven fact....Wayne did infact have more upside to navigate whether the industry was to go hard or go soft,more adaptable....more importantly when you've already dropped a classic and you've already regressed from that its pretty hard to talk about upside regardless if that's fair or not,bg did that.....And yes he clearly had more upside than Turk,if I recall they lead with Waynes debut befoe Turks for a reason,everyone saw this except the revisionist....and you remember that little song bling bling?Where Wayne came with the hook to give BG his biggest hit:...had everybody talkin aout Wayne....Wayne sold about the same thing BG sold within about that same year period,and BG had "Bling Bling" as a single...folks was chceckin for Wayne off the strength of his perfromances bruh.....how is he a weak link giving nikkas they biggest hits and consistently killing his feature spots....just cuz u didn't like the contrast he bought comapred to Juve and BG don't mean nobody did......and you'll probaly knock it becuz I wuz a teenager at the time so I might fall in the "children" category...but that's irrelevant too bcuz they wuz teenagers when they wuz droppin that shyt.

 

[360dagod]

lol.

yall wasting yall time with @mobbinfms on this matter.



BG wasn't a star now?

okay so basically, you lowered the bar for wayne because he was soft and more innocent. thanks for proving my point.

i didn't say that lyricism was THEE draw of the group. nor did i say that the comparison was based on lyricism. there much much more to this rap thing that.



no.

for starters, this whole myth that everybody moved units back in the day is

secondly, lets be real. one of the main reasons why records aren't selling like that anymore is because the stuff being marketed is terrible for the most part.

more importantly, wayne has been pushed 1,000 times harder than the rest of the hot boys, and in the midst of an era that's not only weak, but also inactive on top of that. he can drop carter 5 today without having to worry about another major label release droppin for months. and when that next artist finally drops, the chances are that its gonna be a wack-rappin nicca anyway. meanwhile, juvenile was going head up with hall-of-famers that were in or around their primes. and im talking artists that were droppin on the same day, and then the week after that, and the week after that, and the week prior.

to even try to compare is ridiculous. you'd know this as well if you simply looked at the big picture.

if we take the super-successful version of wayne, and place him back in that '98-00 timeframe, he would have the same level of success that he actually did have during that period as a solo artist. actually, he would probably have even less success than that, seeing how hes released tons of bullchit in recent years.



you lost me there.

BG should've worked on his craft for what tho? the nicca already dropped like 2 classic albums. what more is there to ask for? most rappers would kill just to have one. what classic albums does wayne have? hell, what classic albums does styles p have?

turk & BG were not regional at all. i don't know where youre getting that one from. these dudes sold out arenas all across the country....and the arenas were packed with niccas. that's the complete opposite of regional.

why shouldnt a rapper try to work on their craft and actually push themselves artistically??I just think BG sold himself musically...

Of course BG and Turk were selling out arenas...As apart of Cash Money Records...The hottest label at that time...

When they left CMR,they were regional...

Pxmx was regional and when they left CMR,they became local...

The Cash Money Brand helped alot

 

[Reggie]

It was always Juvie BG as the stars with Wayne and Turk playing the cleanup crew. I don't know why this is even a debate cuz everyone back then had it in that exact order.

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

wayne wasw the weakest link
nikkas was hyped for that turk solo cd

 

[360dagod]

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my nikka turk deserved better...

They didnt even push this shyt...

RIP STONE

I think Derrick was in there aka Bulletproof...RIP

RIP Dante Culpepper's career

Young-N-Thuggin was decent...

Wanna Be Down>>>>>>>>>>

 

[The_Sheff]

Turks album destroyed Wayne's no contest.

Wayne was actually the only member I was not trying to hear. Really if a Cash Money song didnt have Juvie or BG nikkas were skipping it anyway.

 

[Wacky D]

why shouldnt a rapper try to work on their craft and actually push themselves artistically??I just think BG sold himself musically...

Of course BG and Turk were selling out arenas...As apart of Cash Money Records...The hottest label at that time...

When they left CMR,they were regional...

Pxmx was regional and when they left CMR,they became local...

The Cash Money Brand helped alot

who said BG didn't work on his craft? we gonna act like he didn't continue putting out dope music all way thru '08-09? lets be real, the stuff that BG did after cash money was at least on par with most of Wayne's albums during that same timeframe. so lets not act like BG went to chit just because he wasn't 'ALL IN THE VIDEO'.

I mean, lets be real. wayne needed help. BG didn't. and lets not act like BG wasn't already rippin east coast tracks with raw @$$ verses.

BG & turk didn't become regional after they left cash money. they became independent. and lets be real, if wayne went to Koch, he would've faded off completely. I remember BG's early Koch stuff being more anticipated than 500 degreez and the original carter 1. hell, I remember the released version of "carter 1" being a slow burn because people basically dismissed wayne after the hot boys broke up. and wayne had cash money's machine behind him that whole time. so if theyre regional, then what did that make wayne?

Not really lowering the bar, just acknowledging what he brought to the group and wondering how it made him the weakest link.

You haven't' really made it clear what the comparison is about then, if it's not about who was drawing more attention to the group, or who was the better rapper between them, da fukk is all this about?

I'll agree with you on him getting more push than anybody else but then again i feel like he did have the most charisma out all of them, pushing him seems like the logical thing to do aside from him being baby's "son".

I never said that wayne was the weak link simply because of what he brought to the group.

there really was no comparison. I just used the word "comparison" because that's the word you used in the previous post.

the point is, wayne was 'the least-regarded by rap heads'. that's the term I should've used in title, but I would've ran out of space.

Come one wacky D

fukking Shaq got a platinum plaque in the 90's Everyone was moving units in the 90's and early 00's. You can't compare those numbers to today.

Wayne was doing 1.5 mill in 08 the first week(and multi plat overall)and nearly a mill the first week in 2011. His problem was that he peaked in the wrong era sales wise. To me that's far more impressive then putting up numbers in 90's.

It's not just wayne or other hip hop artists. I can't even think of the numbers someone like Adele would push back then example

of course shaq got a platinum plaque. HES SHAQ. and youre showing your age all thru here. do you not remember how big of a deal it was that Shaquille O'Neal was dropping an album? meanwhile, I can name plenty of popular quality albums that didn't go platinum back in the day. PLENTY. we can start with the illmatics and the Cuban linx of the world. DO THE KNOWLEDGE.

and again, all eras aren't created equal. your fantasies about wayne moving crazy units back in the day are laughable. the idea of an average @$$ album like "carter 3" pushing 4 mil in say 1998 is ridiculousness.

to simplify it for ya, you don't have to look any further than lil wayne himself seeing that "carter 3" isn't even as good as "tha block is hot".

Lol bg had the flow? Lmao basic flow ass nikka. Just because y'all like him doesn't mean he was better than wayne. nikkas really need to go back and listen to the young wayne.

no, YOU really need to go back and listen to BG.

Yung n Thuggin >>>>>> The Block Is Hot

Its hard to call Wayne the weakest link due to how much more popular he was than Turk. This aint a Wishbone situation where not only are your verses average but if you erased em, no one would miss em. Wayne had a fanbase and his verses had certain a appeal. I dont know why he stood out more than Turk but he obviously did.

Whats trips me out is how close he and BG are in age, yet that nikka Gizzle seemed like he was in late 20s they way he was spittin'.

I cant believe nikkas actually believe hot boy-era Wayne was better than Gizzle. Like, I dont know how one can even formulate an argument in Wayne's favor.

meh, lets not throw wi$h bone under the bus. he had a lot of the most-popular verses in bone on the low, just off the strength of the sing-a-long value.

but yea, like I told @SunZoo. "weakest link" is an overstatement. I can dig it.

but wayne was the least-regarded amongst rap heads. It was easier to say weakest link with the limited amount of characters we can type in the titles.

wayne was more popular than turk on a commercial scale. that's about it. you can say that he had BG beat in that area as well. and even then, BG was a better seller and turk proved that he could've been a better seller than wayne as well if they actually promoted his chit.

It ain't a age thing in regards to upside its a star power content thing.......If they were paying attention to the direction the game was going in Wayne definitly had the bigger upside.....that straight gutter shyt BG bought to the table artistically and rhyme wise I don't think he was diverse enough to survive commercially into the 2000's and surely you would have to agree if u look at BG's decline commercially as Wayne rose up that's a accurate statement....how u gon question a hunch that's later been proven fact....Wayne did infact have more upside to navigate whether the industry was to go hard or go soft,more adaptable....more importantly when you've already dropped a classic and you've already regressed from that its pretty hard to talk about upside regardless if that's fair or not,bg did that.....And yes he clearly had more upside than Turk,if I recall they lead with Waynes debut befoe Turks for a reason,everyone saw this except the revisionist....and you remember that little song bling bling?Where Wayne came with the hook to give BG his biggest hit:...had everybody talkin aout Wayne....Wayne sold about the same thing BG sold within about that same year period,and BG had "Bling Bling" as a single...folks was chceckin for Wayne off the strength of his perfromances bruh.....how is he a weak link giving nikkas they biggest hits and consistently killing his feature spots....just cuz u didn't like the contrast he bought comapred to Juve and BG don't mean nobody did......and you'll probaly knock it becuz I wuz a teenager at the time so I might fall in the "children" category...but that's irrelevant too bcuz they wuz teenagers when they wuz droppin that shyt.

no chit. we already know that wayne had more commercial appeal than turk. we knew what it was when wayne came out first. nobody is arguing that. the question is, what does this have to do with my statement?

secondly, I never said that I didn't like what wayne brought to the table. youre doing that thing you do again. putting words in my mouth so that you can make a point. one thing that I actually did say was that I was a wayne fan and bought his albums.

lol @ "if they were paying attention to the direction that the game was going in". lol. that's some bullchit.

also, BG wasn't concerned with commercial success. and seeing that youre posting so much on whats supposed to be a hip-hop board, you shouldn't be either. im talking about rap heads here. wayne was overall held in the lowest regard.

 

[360dagod]

We are going to have to agree to agree on Bg's post cash money stuff... @Wacky D

As far as the carter 1 being a slow burn,thats actually a good thing alot of times..

Lil Wayne grinded his ass off on that album and it payed off....

He was touring his ass off and go dj took it to another level..

Carter 1 sold 116k its first week with a warmup single in bring it back....

Go dj really didnt hit until wayne was like 3-400k in sales..

So Lil Wayne already had a 500k fanbase in place b4 the Carter 1 dropped..

If wayne was indy,he might have went gold

 

[SubLyminalz]

It went Plat

Lights Out >

lights out never went plat.

 

[Still Benefited]

who said BG didn't work on his craft? we gonna act like he didn't continue putting out dope music all way thru '08-09? lets be real, the stuff that BG did after cash money was at least on par with most of Wayne's albums during that same timeframe. so lets not act like BG went to chit just because he wasn't 'ALL IN THE VIDEO'.

I mean, lets be real. wayne needed help. BG didn't. and lets not act like BG wasn't already rippin east coast tracks with raw @$$ verses.

BG & turk didn't become regional after they left cash money. they became independent. and lets be real, if wayne went to Koch, he would've faded off completely. I remember BG's early Koch stuff being more anticipated than 500 degreez and the original carter 1. hell, I remember the released version of "carter 1" being a slow burn because people basically dismissed wayne after the hot boys broke up. and wayne had cash money's machine behind him that whole time. so if theyre regional, then what did that make wayne?



I never said that wayne was the weak link simply because of what he brought to the group.

there really was no comparison. I just used the word "comparison" because that's the word you used in the previous post.

the point is, wayne was 'the least-regarded by rap heads'. that's the term I should've used in title, but I would've ran out of space.



of course shaq got a platinum plaque. HES SHAQ. and youre showing your age all thru here. do you not remember how big of a deal it was that Shaquille O'Neal was dropping an album? meanwhile, I can name plenty of popular quality albums that didn't go platinum back in the day. PLENTY. we can start with the illmatics and the Cuban linx of the world. DO THE KNOWLEDGE.

and again, all eras aren't created equal. your fantasies about wayne moving crazy units back in the day are laughable. the idea of an average @$$ album like "carter 3" pushing 4 mil in say 1998 is ridiculousness.

to simplify it for ya, you don't have to look any further than lil wayne himself seeing that "carter 3" isn't even as good as "tha block is hot".





no, YOU really need to go back and listen to BG.



meh, lets not throw wi$h bone under the bus. he had a lot of the most-popular verses in bone on the low, just off the strength of the sing-a-long value.

but yea, like I told @SunZoo. "weakest link" is an overstatement. I can dig it.

but wayne was the least-regarded amongst rap heads. It was easier to say weakest link with the limited amount of characters we can type in the titles.

wayne was more popular than turk on a commercial scale. that's about it. you can say that he had BG beat in that area as well. and even then, BG was a better seller and turk proved that he could've been a better seller than wayne as well if they actually promoted his chit.



no chit. we already know that wayne had more commercial appeal than turk. we knew what it was when wayne came out first. nobody is arguing that. the question is, what does this have to do with my statement?

secondly, I never said that I didn't like what wayne brought to the table. youre doing that thing you do again. putting words in my mouth so that you can make a point. one thing that I actually did say was that I was a wayne fan and bought his albums.

lol @ "if they were paying attention to the direction that the game was going in". lol. that's some bullchit.

also, BG wasn't concerned with commercial success. and seeing that youre posting so much on whats supposed to be a hip-hop board, you shouldn't be either. im talking about rap heads here. wayne was overall held in the lowest regard.

I don't know if BG cared about commercial success or not but his bosses obviously did considering they pushed Wayne so much harder than other CMR artist as you admitted,they obviously thought he had more upside and saw him buzzin.....you need to make up your mind is the problem consistently with your threads,you'll bring up shyt like Waynes flops commercially then when sumbody else brings up a point about bG commercially that doesn't help your argument its "bu bu but this is hiphop let's not be concerned with commercial success".

Andis this where u accuse me of puttin words in your mouth again lol....i said "just bcuz u don't like what wayne bought to the table COMPARED to Juve and BG" well ain't that what this whole damn thread is about? You don't like what he bought to the table compared to Juve and BG,and said he wuz for kids and women,is that not you sayin you didn't like wat he bought to the table compared to juve and bg who wuz for the "grown nikkas" and "rap heads"?..

I'm not gon even ask what u mean by "rap heads" cuz I think plenty folks that consider theyself rap heads might tell you all them nikkas wuz garbage by they standards of what a rapper supposed to be.....but nevermind cuz i don't wanna drag this out no more,I just wanted u to get to the point, you basically thought Wayne wuz the softest/safest member....which is like "no shyt,he ain't cuss his first album cuz his mama asked him not to"......and to drop that "weakest link" nonsense which u seem to have fell back from as an overstatement....nothin more to see here I agree Wayne wuz the softest member but not the weakest link bcuz I wuznt judging based on who spit the hardest shyt....matter of fact even on that criteria I'm still pickin Wayne over Turk,Wayne wuznt just Drake status or sumthin and as a emcee he trumps Turk to the point he still gets the nod...it wuznt never "ooooh here come this soft nikka Lil Wayne rappin again,let me fast foward,I'm too tuff to listen to this shyt".

 

[Wacky D]

We are going to have to agree to agree on Bg's post cash money stuff... @Wacky D

As far as the carter 1 being a slow burn,thats actually a good thing alot of times..

Lil Wayne grinded his ass off on that album and it payed off....

He was touring his ass off and go dj took it to another level..

Carter 1 sold 116k its first week with a warmup single in bring it back....

Go dj really didnt hit until wayne was like 3-400k in sales..

So Lil Wayne already had a 500k fanbase in place b4 the Carter 1 dropped..

If wayne was indy,he might have went gold

youre contradicting yourself big time.

so wayne, the most vulnerable member of CMR keeps all his cash money fans if he goes indy but BG and turk don't?

I don't know if BG cared about commercial success or not but his bosses obviously did considering they pushed Wayne so much harder than other CMR artist as you admitted,they obviously thought he had more upside and saw him buzzin.....you need to make up your mind is the problem consistently with your threads,you'll bring up shyt like Waynes flops commercially then when sumbody else brings up a point about bG commercially that doesn't help your argument its "bu bu but this is hiphop let's not be concerned with commercial success".

Andis this where u accuse me of puttin words in your mouth again lol....i said "just bcuz u don't like what wayne bought to the table COMPARED to Juve and BG" well ain't that what this whole damn thread is about? You don't like what he bought to the table compared to Juve and BG,and said he wuz for kids and women,is that not you sayin you didn't like wat he bought to the table compared to juve and bg who wuz for the "grown nikkas" and "rap heads"?..

I'm not gon even ask what u mean by "rap heads" cuz I think plenty folks that consider theyself rap heads might tell you all them nikkas wuz garbage by they standards of what a rapper supposed to be.....but nevermind cuz i don't wanna drag this out no more,I just wanted u to get to the point, you basically thought Wayne wuz the softest/safest member....which is like "no shyt,he ain't cuss his first album cuz his mama asked him not to"......and to drop that "weakest link" nonsense which u seem to have fell back from as an overstatement....nothin more to see here I agree Wayne wuz the softest member but not the weakest link bcuz I wuznt judging based on who spit the hardest shyt....matter of fact even on that criteria I'm still pickin Wayne over Turk,Wayne wuznt just Drake status or sumthin and as a emcee he trumps Turk to the point he still gets the nod...it wuznt never "ooooh here come this soft nikka Lil Wayne rappin again,let me fast foward,I'm too tuff to listen to this shyt".

so basically, youre really not putting words in my mouth and the problem is that you just cant follow a texted conversation?

I mean dammit man. I never even insinuated that I didn't like wayne. I clearly said that I was a fan.

and youre running off and making more false assumptions all thru this post. I didn't say most of this chit. nor did I insinuate it.

stop rambling off at the yap so much. this is like talking to a drunken hobo.

 

[Still Benefited]

youre contradicting yourself big time.

so wayne, the most vulnerable member of CMR keeps all his cash money fans if he goes indy but BG and turk don't?





so basically, youre really not putting words in my mouth and the problem is that you just cant follow a texted conversation?

I mean dammit man. I never even insinuated that I didn't like wayne. I clearly said that I was a fan.

and youre running off and making more false assumptions all thru this post. I didn't say most of this chit. nor did I insinuate it.

stop rambling off at the yap so much. this is like talking to a drunken hobo.

I'm still waitin on you to point out where I said you didn't like Wayne in the first place,then after I break down how I clearly didn't say you said that you still gon act like I said it I guesssumbodys having trouble following along here but it ain't me.

And it ain't ok for me to make the assumption you thought Wayne wuz the weakest member bcuz you considered him the soft/safe member when you make statements like:

"wayne was the one with the kodak smile and the nickelodeon-esque catchphrases. hence, he was held in high-regard by the women & children. that was his role. he played it perfectly"( from page 3 if u want to reference)


And funny you can make blanket assumptions that "only women and children held Wayne in high regard".....but dont let us assume that means you are calling him safe and for the kids when you use words like "nickelodean esque" and "only women and children held him in high regard"?That assumption by me is taking things too damn farI mean wuz he or wuz he not for the kids?and in Wacky D language is "for the women and kids" not calling him soft and safe?what does that mean exactly,cuz I know whenever I've seen that used to describe a rapper before that's what it means.

Your very first explaining why we should realize Wayne was the weakest link is

"yall need to channel back in time, look around at the scenery and realize the only people gassed off of wayne on that level were females & chil'ren."

This is your reasoning so combine both those quotes of yours and tell me what assumption we supposed to come to?I think u pretty much summed it up with the koolaid smile and nickelodean esque remarks,but if you meant sumthin else with those "women and children" comments by all means please explain

 

[Barry Sanders]

wayne blew by using a old cash money go dj

bg was supposed to be wayne but bg but he want sheltered like wayne was



Now I knew this young nikka would end up swell
I used my mind to keep him writin rhymes
cause I knew he'a be major at one time
Now I done rolled in the flyest cars
It ain't no secret that B.G.'s a Cash Money superstar


and when juve exposed baby cmr shady ways the whole crew bounced but wayne

 

[Wacky D]

I'm still waitin on you to point out where I said you didn't like Wayne in the first place,then after I break down how I clearly didn't say you said that you still gon act like I said it I guesssumbodys having trouble following along here but it ain't me.

And it ain't ok for me to make the assumption you thought Wayne wuz the weakest member bcuz you considered him the soft/safe member when you make statements like:

"wayne was the one with the kodak smile and the nickelodeon-esque catchphrases. hence, he was held in high-regard by the women & children. that was his role. he played it perfectly"( from page 3 if u want to reference)


And funny you can make blanket assumptions that "only women and children held Wayne in high regard".....but dont let us assume that means you are calling him safe and for the kids when you use words like "nickelodean esque" and "only women and children held him in high regard"?That assumption by me is taking things too damn farI mean wuz he or wuz he not for the kids?and in Wacky D language is "for the women and kids" not calling him soft and safe?what does that mean exactly,cuz I know whenever I've seen that used to describe a rapper before that's what it means.

Your very first explaining why we should realize Wayne was the weakest link is

"yall need to channel back in time, look around at the scenery and realize the only people gassed off of wayne on that level were females & chil'ren."

This is your reasoning so combine both those quotes of yours and tell me what assumption we supposed to come to?I think u pretty much summed it up with the koolaid smile and nickelodean esque remarks,but if you meant sumthin else with those "women and children" comments by all means please explain

you stated multiple times that I 'didn't like what wayne brought to the table'. and that's completely false.

I never said that wayne was the weakest member "BECAUSE he was soft". I never stated that as a reason. that's you pulling chit out your @$$ and running with it as usual.

and yes I stated the bolded. because a lot of yall arguing with me were indeed children or still had that mindstate when the hot boy era was going on. some of these dudes arguing me down weren't even around AT ALL. youre not looking at this from the standpoint of hip-hop heads. its like that dude on the old board that thought vanilla ice was running chit because his 1st grade class would get amped to his ninja turtle rap.

and I never said that what wayne brought to the table was a bad thing or anything of that nature. I loved it. but at the same time, I was cognizant enough to realize that his commercial value was inflated because of his cartoonish catchphrases & delivery, as well as his boyish appeal. and for the females, in addition to all that, they loved his looks back then. this was all understood. but I was also cognizant enough to realize that he wasn't on BG's level and that he GENERALLY was the least-heralded amongst the team, slightly behind turk. lets be real, wayne wasn't really taken seriously, and that has nothing to do with him being soft. I just threw the soft chit in there as an exclamation point, and also as a response to somebody in here who was lowering the bar for wayne because of it.

and speaking of rap heads, yes that's what this is all about. im speaking on hip-hop heads. the opinions that matter. not commercial heads, and not commercial heads that think that theyre hip-hop heads. why you would assume that I was basing this off of anybody but actual rap heads is beyond me. do I look like somebody that's gonna hold a discussion about what a bunch of casuals think? cmon dun. this is supposed to be a hip-hop board.