People Need To Stop Acting Like Lil Wayne Wasnt The Weakest Link Of The Hot Boys

[charmander]

people up here saying that young lil wayne was a "monster". knock that chit off fleet.

don't be surprised if you see lil chuckee throw a molotov cocktail thru ya bedroom window for this blasphemous ass thread

 

[Wacky D]

It went Plat

Lights Out >

yea, it went plat because cash money relentlessly pushed that album for an entire year. they pushed it harder than darn near every cmr release from that era.

yet, the album got no luv and was seen as a dissappointing follow-up to a debut album that wasnt held in high-regard to begin with.

stop rewriting a history that you clearly didnt experience.

had to do with Wayne being a budding star, Young and Thuggin did ok for CMR but nothing close to what Lights Out and 400 Degreez did

nothing close to what "lights out" did? "lights out" didnt do chit.

what does 400 degreez have to do with this? nobody is talking about juvenile.........hold up.....please tell me that youre not referring to 500 DEGREEZ.

and since yall seem to be enamored with numbers, surely you would know that the sales for "young and thuggin" before they halted the promotion were more impressive than the sales for "lights out". if turk was given half the promotion that wayne had, he wouldve outsold "lights out" with ease.

I'm pretty sure you WERE running the streets because you must have been
"smoking like a smoker" to think Turk wasn't the weakest.

heres the thing, its not about what i personally think.

wayne was only held in high-regard by kids and females. and looking at the posters in disagreement, most of them were kids when this was going on, some of them still are kids in 2013, meaning that they werent around at all back then. and some of these other posters are kind of casual rap fans, i already know.

Wayne was the weakest link in the Hot Boy$, but he was put out front because of a series of events.

But it ain't like he was wack, Hot Boy$ were too dope.

yea, im not saying he was wack.

like i said in the other thread, i was a fan of wayne. i even bought the retail copy of "tha block is hot" AFTER i heard the album and knew that half of it was weak.

it wuz definitly Turk bruh.....BG had more talent but listening to Wayne and thinking of his upside being about the same age as him....I actually preffered him over Juve,young wayne wuz a monster this I a undisputable fact....how could u listen to Da Block Is Hot and not see this,he wuz outrappin,outflowin,had more swag/charisma than nikkas twice his age.....id like to see what would've become of him had he kept it completley southern and not switched his style up......he ate up all them nikkas at different points plenty of times and it wuznt a he got lucky thing....dude came hard with the shyt he wuz saying,it wuznt just his mechanics and technical skill...dude wuz sayin some raw shyt...weak link?

so wayne had upside but turk & BG didnt? they were each a year apart from each other in age. this whole idea that wayne was some snot-nosed kid rapping amongst a bunch of grown men is

you really wanted to see what wouldve happened if wayne didnt switch his style up? were the 5......count em........FIVE years of fails & f*ckery not enough for you? do you not remember him basically carrying the big tymers' bags to stay relevant? do you not remember his failed albums & mixtapes? do you not remember him getting chitted on by UTP? do you not remember them scrapping the original carter 1 right before it was supposed to be released because the single flopped and everybody basically ignored that nicca? do you not remember them re-releasing the album a year later with him spittin' blatantly ghostwritten bars from gillie da kid?

Can't rock with this...at all

And i'm the last nikka to give whoopi any extra credit, but i honestly would say the exact opposite and would probably say turk was the weak link out the crew. Turk was definetly replable. BG was probably the best overall spitter but most CMR fans weren't worried about that kinda shyt anyway, he could be replaced.

Obviously Juvie was in the lead as far as being the first to have a break out hit, but i really feel like wayne and fresh's production is what allowed them to create some separation between them and no-limit. Them having a "child rapper" in the group was a hook, and it wasn't on some "oh he's young" shyt, this nikka literally looked and sounded his age, if not younger.

His charisma combined with that the fact that he was OBVIOUSLY too young to be doing/saying half the shyt he was really gave the group an energy that you couldn't replace. His voice was more distinct than everybody else's too which is probably why he was doing a lot of the hooks on the big records, shout out to puberty. You couldn't help but listen to him looking ahead at what he might be doing/sounding like/saying years down the line.

Oh and TBIH >>> any other CMR solo i could think of off the top, i'm sure some won't agree but fukk it.

reading this entry, its obvious that you didnt follow cash money at all, so why bother posting that?

 

[SunZoo]

reading this entry, its obvious that you didnt follow cash money at all, so why bother posting that?

I did follow ash money breh.



I wasn't the BIGGEST fan but i had a nice little collection of CM shyt, guerrilla warfare is probably my favorite album overall.

I'll backtrack and say that TBIH is my PERSONAL favorite probably for nostalgic reasons, but i still don't think you can replace the appeal that the hot boys have by having a child star in their ranks.

You on point about him not being a "monster" but like i said nikkas who were in to CM like that weren't really sticklers for lyricism, so my post was more about the commercial side of things and what he brought to the table on that front.

 

[360dagod]

BG's checkmate was a highly underrated album....

As for wayne,as was said earlier,he had the best chance to blow up...

Slim knew what he was doing when he brought boo&gotti,mikkey and gillie....

Wayne was surrounded by nikkas that werent from New Orleans...

That began the evolution of lil wayne....

I would have like to see what geezy woulda done with that influence....

I always thought turk got the stepchild treatment,but it had more to do with his drug addiction and work ethnic

 

[Wacky D]

I did follow ash money breh.



I wasn't the BIGGEST fan but i had a nice little collection of CM shyt, guerrilla warfare is probably my favorite album overall.

I'll backtrack and say that TBIH is my PERSONAL favorite probably for nostalgic reasons, but i still don't think you can replace the appeal that the hot boys have by having a child star in their ranks.

You on point about him not being a "monster" but like i said nikkas who were in to CM like that weren't really sticklers for lyricism, so my post was more about the commercial side of things and what he brought to the table on that front.

im saying, you keep harping over lil wayne being a child star but turk and bg were basically the same age.

and yes, cash money was lyrical alot of the time if you were listening. they werent on some lyrical acrobatics chit rapping about hydrocloric waters, but they did their thing on the mic; especially juvenile. and yes, that was part of their appeal and one of the reasons why the hot boys had the biggest across-the-board movement out of any southern rap group ever. so to say that their fanbase didnt care about lyricisim is poppycock.

but i agree with that last comment and youre basically proving my point. wayne was the commercial guy. granted, juvenile was the one doing the commercial numbers, but wayne was the one with the kodak smile and the nickelodeon-esque catchphrases. hence, he was held in high-regard by the women & children. that was his role. he played it perfectly.......but people on here are getting carried away with it, most likely because certain distinctions are being lost in hip-hop. another reason why the chit is dead.

 

[360dagod]

im saying, you keep harping over lil wayne being a child star but turk and bg were basically the same age.

and yes, cash money was lyrical alot of the time if you were listening. they werent on some lyrical acrobatics chit rapping about hydrocloric waters, but they did their thing on the mic; especially juvenile. and yes, that was part of their appeal and one of the reasons why the hot boys had the biggest across-the-board movement out of any southern rap group ever. so to say that their fanbase didnt care about lyricisim is poppycock.

but i agree with that last comment and youre basically proving my point. wayne was the commercial guy. granted, juvenile was the one doing the commercial numbers, but wayne was the one with the kodak smile and the nickelodeon-esque catchphrases. hence, he was held in high-regard by the women & children. that was his role. he played it perfectly.......but people on here are getting carried away with it, most likely because certain distinctions are being lost in hip-hop. another reason why the chit is dead.

nikkas do overlook juvenile,but he had some joints where he got busy

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5wqVyvPW5o[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBbsdWS6MD0[/ame]

 

[SunZoo]

im saying, you keep harping over lil wayne being a child star but turk and bg were basically the same age.

I said star nikka

Turk wasn't a star, neither was BG, juvie and wayne were the "stars" of that group, and wayne actually looked his age. I mean on first look you knew they were all young but even wayne's voice was prepubescent. His moms didn't even sign off on him to curse in his records, that was the first time i even knew something like that could happen.

and yes, cash money was lyrical alot of the time if you were listening. they werent on some lyrical acrobatics chit rapping about hydrocloric waters, but they did their thing on the mic; especially juvenile. and yes, that was part of their appeal and one of the reasons why the hot boys had the biggest across-the-board movement out of any southern rap group ever. so to say that their fanbase didnt care about lyricisim is poppycock.

I didn't say they didn't care just that they weren't sticklers for bars like that, at least the fans that i knew.

but i agree with that last comment and youre basically proving my point. wayne was the commercial guy. granted, juvenile was the one doing the commercial numbers, but wayne was the one with the kodak smile and the nickelodeon-esque catchphrases. hence, he was held in high-regard by the women & children. that was his role. he played it perfectly.......but people on here are getting carried away with it, most likely because certain distinctions are being lost in hip-hop. another reason why the chit is dead.

i guess i just don't see how being pretty much the main draw in the group dynamic makes him the weakest link...

If this is just a lyrical debate then i guess you just gotta compare verses/lines, i dunno. I certainly don't think it was that much separation between them skill wise, and even then i still don't see how wayne would rank last in that respect.

 

[mobbinfms]

They weren't known for lyricism but them nikkas was spitting some of the realest shyt ever recorded. Especially Juve and BG. BTW, Juve is a lyricist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xM6zpAjAog

Nice beat on that song. I don't see how that supports your argument that Juvenile is a lyricist.

Also - you keep your body clean ha?

Oh - and the "he spits some real shyt" defense is all good and well, but all that matters is whether he was rapping well. If you can't rap - but can talk about some real shyt - do spoken word, write a book, do something where you aren't fukking up the music I love.

 

[mobbinfms]

nikkas do overlook juvenile,but he had some joints where he got busy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5wqVyvPW5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBbsdWS6MD0

That first song had a nice verse from Juvie. Second one not so much, great beat though. That's a sample too...

 

[Family Man]

Nice beat on that song. I don't see how that supports your argument that Juvenile is a lyricist.

Also - you keep your body clean ha?

Oh - and the "he spits some real shyt" defense is all good and well, but all that matters is whether he was rapping well. If you can't rap - but can talk about some real shyt - do spoken word, write a book, do something where you aren't fukking up the music I love.

Listen to the 400 Degreez album when you get a chance. That album will surprise you how good it is. Juvenile showed his ass all over that album.

 

[Family Man]

it wuz definitly Turk bruh.....BG had more talent but listening to Wayne and thinking of his upside being about the same age as him....I actually preffered him over Juve,young wayne wuz a monster this I a undisputable fact....how could u listen to Da Block Is Hot and not see this,he wuz outrappin,outflowin,had more swag/charisma than nikkas twice his age.....id like to see what would've become of him had he kept it completley southern and not switched his style up......he ate up all them nikkas at different points plenty of times and it wuznt a he got lucky thing....dude came hard with the shyt he wuz saying,it wuznt just his mechanics and technical skill...dude wuz sayin some raw shyt...weak link?

Wayne has never outrapped Juve during that era. As a matter of fact, Wayne stunk up most of his appearances on 400 Degreez. But he did good on "Run For It". Only Jay-z spit a wacker verse than Wayne on that album.

 

[Barry Sanders]

i'm 33 turk was the weakest,and had the weakest debut solo.
Juvenile was the best
B.G. was my 2nd fav
However wayne was more skilled than B.G.
But i like B.g better cause he spit real shyt and made better albums
turk was last in every aspect.
I hate what wayne has became, But in all honesty i was telling nikkas in 99' that wayne would take over.

 

[Family Man]

I'm saying... Hot Boys era Wayne aint never spit anything as hard or better than this:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0UUgSWvbo[/ame]

 

[Won Won]

B.G. & Juvenile were always seen as the best, with Wayne & Turk being the not-as-nice young bucks. And 9/10 Turk would be labeled the weakest link. Wayne had a more distinct voice, the no curses gimmick, and was just plain better at rapping and making songs.

To the people bigging up Lights Out, Wayne never really sold until everybody left. B.G.'s albums were better sellers than Wayne's were.

 

[360dagod]

That first song had a nice verse from Juvie. Second one not so much, great beat though. That's a sample too...

He isnt rakim,but he Isn't plies either..

Juvenile wouldnt be a blame for hip hop's decline