A song that is either super popular or song that is so good regardless of sales, when the beat drop or a lyric is utterd people know it
Pete Rock Likes Twitter User-‘Only Nas would make 5 LP w/ The Least Inspired Producer of All Time" Tweet
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FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
You talkj about Nas outgrowing Boom Bap when a cool 75% of Hit-Boy's output with Nas has been great value boom bap trying to evoke the feeling of his older stuff
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Stop treating Nas as if he's infallible and every artistic decision he makes is justified and "correct." Nas went a whole 7 year run in the 00s of working on forgettable beats that resulted in projects that fizzled and hurt his standing in the game until Life Is Good came around. Just because those guys were the producers that were inspiring Nas doesn't mean the results were actually great.
You talkj about Nas outgrowing Boom Bap when a cool 75% of Hit-Boy's output with Nas has been great value boom bap trying to evoke the feeling of his older stuff
no matter how many times I see this I chuckle
In your OPINION you mean he went on a 7 year “forgettable” run. Verifiable metrics don’t back that up whatsoever but its your opinion if you didn’t like those albums cool, whatever.
Now to your other point, I actually agree every artistic move isn’t the “correct” move but again we’re talking about ARTISTS. You can’t put any rapper or singer in front of the hottest beat YOU feel like you’ve ever heard and force any greatness out of them unless they use writers, which USED to be frowned upon and would be a devastating blow to someone of Nas reputation as a brilliant LYRICIST if ever it were proven true. So if the artist isn’t going to cheat his own artistic morals then its going to be what its going to be. Thats what I was saying to Piff Perkins and anyone with any common sense can understand that basic point.
We were using Dilla as an example. The beat Dilla sent Nas for whatever reason didn’t work for him, but the beat for Gobstoppers DID so obviously Nas fukks with Dilla, he made sure to put Dilla’s final album out and work with the estate to make sure everything was done to everyone’s mutual satisfaction. There’s been a lot of dikking around with Dilla’s music after his passing but Nas made sure the business was right on that.
So no, not every artistic decision is the right one. Not every artistic decision Nas made in his career has been correct (Rush recording Nastradamus) but on the other side to say he went SEVEN years on projects that “fizzled” and hurt his standing is categorically false and nothing more than a lame troll attempt
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
If you don't think those albusm fizzled then you just have your head in the sand
The "Nas picks bad beats" thing literally came from that stretch of albums in the mid-00s, and no it wasn't the "stuck in the 90s" boogeymen you keep defaulting to but the broader world of rap fans as a whole. No amount of reviews from mainstream publications can override the underwhelming reception the albums got from rap fans when they dropped. The albums unquestionably hurt Nas' reputation as someone who could deliver engaging music
If you don't think those albusm fizzled then you just have your head in the sand
Believe what you want bro. I’ll be here in reality.
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Pass me the rock nikka
To me Salaam Remi is better than Hit Boy and from a production standpoint Life is Good is better than any of these albums…
Hit Boy is a good producer and the beats are fine he’s not a problem but Nas has declined vocally, lyrically, and I don’t like his attempts to ride trap beats shyt just don’t sound right, also his subject matter/themes have become predictable.
I’m also not sure why Nas chose to drop all these albums with the same producer he oversaturated. The albums are cool but all this classic, 4.5 mics shyt is stan talk.
Hit Boy is a good producer and the beats are fine he’s not a problem but Nas has declined vocally, lyrically, and I don’t like his attempts to ride trap beats shyt just don’t sound right, also his subject matter/themes have become predictable.
I’m also not sure why Nas chose to drop all these albums with the same producer he oversaturated. The albums are cool but all this classic, 4.5 mics shyt is stan talk.
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
As insane, resentful, and passive aggressive as Pete Rock may be, and has been over the years, the fact that he has a legitimate argument for being the greatest producer to ever put his hands on a beat machine gives him a cachet on this topic that none of us, Nas, or Hit-Boy will ever have.
If he were to question Nas's pen game then that's a different story. But to argue Pete doesn't have any insight to speak on what backdrop would bring the best out of an MC, even one he hadn't worked with in decades, is just foolish. You literally could count the people more qualified to speak on this than Pete Rock on one hand.
If he were to question Nas's pen game then that's a different story. But to argue Pete doesn't have any insight to speak on what backdrop would bring the best out of an MC, even one he hadn't worked with in decades, is just foolish. You literally could count the people more qualified to speak on this than Pete Rock on one hand.
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
The reality according to Nas stans, sure. But you talk to most folks, SD, HHID, and Untitled were "cool" at best and that's why Life Is Good was such a shot in the arm for Nas' rep. shyt HHID and Untitled came out during the peak of my Nas' stannery and I still remember trying to convince people (and myself) that those albums were better than they actually were
not even close lol
1. Store Run
2. Death Row East
3. Car 85
4. Blue Benz
5. Nas is Good
6. Composure
7. Michael & Quincy
8. Speechless
9. Thun
10. Rare
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
QB Politics is a dope, solid song all around, but far from untouchable. But none of those listed come anything close to touching "Art Of It". That's a top 10-15, arguabley even better, Nas track for his entire career.
Yeah the song is over 10 years old, but that should be Exhibit A to point to to dispel the "Nas has outgrown boom-bap production" myth people run with.
DontEemTry
Superstar
The reality according to Nas stans, sure. But you talk to most folks, SD, HHID, and Untitled were "cool" at best and that's why Life Is Good was such a shot in the arm for Nas' rep. shyt HHID and Untitled came out during the peak of my Nas' stannery and I still remember trying to convince people (and myself) that those albums were better than they actually were
"Life Is Good"
Album had a lot of very high highs. Production was varied and interesting. Topics were heart felt.Crazy that nikkas don't see the difference.
The reality according to Nas stans, sure. But you talk to most folks, SD, HHID, and Untitled were "cool" at best and that's why Life Is Good was such a shot in the arm for Nas' rep. shyt HHID and Untitled came out during the peak of my Nas' stannery and I still remember trying to convince people (and myself) that those albums were better than they actually were
The Distant Relatives and LIG one two punch did a lot for him. 2004-2008 was the worst stretch of his career when he was active. Really he could have stopped there with his spot solidified
I would argue DR accomplished a lot of what Untitled was shooting for but was more inspired musically and a lot better replay value. Also felt like close to zero label interference on that one, unlike HHID and Untitled where there's multiple tracks that felt like they only on there to appease the label