Peter Schiff: "Mental retards are maybe worth 2$ an hour"

[DEAD7]

People left to their own devices are not necessarily going to make decisions that are in their own or the country's best long term interests. There's no clearer example of this than the almighty private sector you continually claim to be the solution for many of the problems they themselves are causing.

This belief that people need to be controlled is the fundamental difference between libertarians and liberals. I'm glad you came out and said it.
I believe freedom to be preferable to control, even if its detrimental. Retarded I know


and there is nothing free about our current private sector and the corporatism it is fostering. I'm beginning to think you simply have no clue what a free market is.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Attaching pay to production/merit and competition isnt wrong in any way IMHO, and I havent heard an argument for how it is. It just makes people feel icky i guess...

If i pay employees $100 a day to make 10 sneakers, and i have 1 employee who can only make 1 sneaker a day, paying him less doesnt seem evil to me... but im obviously in the minority on this
Looks like the lower producing employee is just out of a job... Liberalism strikes again.

OK. so you support paying fast food workers $2 an hour.

Just say so already.

 

[The Real]

This belief that people need to be controlled is the fundamental difference between libertarians and liberals. I'm glad you came out and said it.
I believe freedom to be preferable to control, even if its detrimental. Retarded I know

That rigid dichotomy between control and freedom is false. If you conceive freedom simply as negative liberty, then you could arrive at such a conclusion, but that's completely unrealistic and contrary to how freedom actually works.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This belief that people need to be controlled is the fundamental difference between libertarians and liberals. I'm glad you came out and said it.
I believe freedom to be preferable to control, even if its detrimental. Retarded I know

and there is nothing free about our current private sector and the corporatism it is fostering. I'm beginning to think you simply have no clue what a free market is.

Yes.

fukk it.

CONTROL MATTERS asswipe.

We don't live in this society where people always act within the best good of the group of humans in our geopolitical boundaries.

Some of you need guidance and reinforcement to be able to contribute to the greater exercise of supporting a soceity.

I don't support a completely free market cause free markets don't support nation-states.

Do you want nation states or do you want a global government? I'm not with that global government shyt. I like resources and I'm selfish as fukk. I want mine and I want my country to be able to get as much as it can.

All these corporations MUST pay taxes because of the benefits we give them de facto for doing business in the US.

HOWEVER I find it funny that you defend all these businesses that don't need the USA. They can easily pick up shop and go elsewhere.

If they don't have allegiance to the US, then we must make amends to sustain their businesses or try to keep them in the US.

I don't think you're as patriotic as you claim to be.

 

[Canada Goose]

How do you decide who is mentally retarded?
By what standard/test do you use?

By seeing a psychiatrist and they diagnose someone with that condition. One of the tests may be a IQ test I'd imagine

 

[DEAD7]

Yes.

fukk it.

CONTROL MATTERS asswipe.

At least now we being straight forward.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

At least now we being straight forward.

Exactly. And you can't refute shyt since all you wanna do is play contrarian all day.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This belief that people need to be controlled is the fundamental difference between libertarians and liberals. I'm glad you came out and said it.
I believe freedom to be preferable to control, even if its detrimental. Retarded I know

and there is nothing free about our current private sector and the corporatism it is fostering. I'm beginning to think you simply have no clue what a free market is.

There is a long road between full on control and full on freedom. Libertarianism isn't anarchy, and liberalism in theory is not far off from libertarianism in many aspects. Any ideology that leaves room for govts and laws is not for "freedom".

O and I voted for Gary Johnson

 

[DEAD7]

There is a long road between full on control and full on freedom. Libertarianism isn't anarchy, and liberalism in theory is not far off from libertarianism in many aspects. Any ideology that leaves room for govts and laws is not for "freedom".

O and I voted for Gary Johnson

All governments naturally drift in one direction, towards control, so the fight for freedom must be extreme in order to maintain even a reasonable amount of liberty.
I have heard people okaying the NSA data collections, so its obviously a fight thats being lost. Going hard is the only option.

 

[DEAD7]

OK. so you support paying fast food workers $2 an hour.

Just say so already.

Dont leave off the trade off i'm willing to accept of bigger safety nets

That rigid dichotomy between control and freedom is false. If you conceive freedom simply as negative liberty, then you could arrive at such a conclusion, but that's completely unrealistic and contrary to how freedom actually works.

Sure, but in practice its an issue of force. Something I believe to be immoral.
I know many here see force as great, and morally sound. So I wont harp on that. Just know that it isnt.

Let me put it this way, if there was a opt out of govt. policies I would have no complaints.

edit: how does freedom "actually" work?

 

[sakano]

By seeing a psychiatrist and they diagnose someone with that condition. One of the tests may be a IQ test I'd imagine

Do you really think it's that simple?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

All governments naturally drift in one direction, towards control, so the fight for freedom must be extreme in order to maintain even a reasonable amount of liberty.
I have heard people okaying the NSA data collections, so its obviously a fight thats being lost. Going hard is the only option.

By becoming a part of the govt process itself? If govt is the problem, in your opinion, the only solution is to completely absolve the govt and let everyone fend for themselves. In which case, you aren't a libertarian, you are an anarchist.

 

[Canada Goose]

Do you really think it's that simple?

I post on a autism forum where people take such tests and its as simple as the personal opinion of a psychiatrist + a test or tests. And yes I'm aware there's a difference between autism and mentally challenged.


What's crazy is I have read of stories of psychiatrist having different opinions about what exactly is wrong with a certain person

As for the thread topic, how would mentally challenged people end up getting hired for a job in the first place? The unemployment rate for autistic people is like 80 percent, I would imagine MC people unemployment rate must be in the 90s, they should just keep the current format of having people too fukked up to work collect SS checks.

 

[DEAD7]

By becoming a part of the govt process itself? If govt is the problem, in your opinion, the only solution is to completely absolve the govt and let everyone fend for themselves. In which case, you aren't a libertarian, you are an anarchist.

I dont think history teaches us that those in power will give it up willingly...

...hitting reset isnt anarchy.

 

[The Real]

Sure, but in practice its an issue of force. Something I believe to be immoral.
I know many here see force as great, and morally sound. So I wont harp on that. Just know that it isnt.

Let me put it this way, if there was a opt out of govt. policies I would have no complaints.

edit: how does freedom "actually" work?

Freedom is a relational phenomenon based on capacities. It's not a monolithic, essential entity that is chipped away every time someone acts to stop you or prevent you from doing something, or makes you do something you didn't decide to do all by yourself.

That's why this "force" argument is flawed. Humans aren't atomistic. Freedom is essentially a social achievement, not an individual one.