Peyton Manning Appreciation Thread

[kp404]

Pats aren't winning it. They can't pound the ball in short yardage situations. No matter how great Brady is, there are always critical points in big games where that cute shotgun shyt has to take a back seat to the power game.

Like today huh?

if they get that #1 seed, let'see who goes up the Foxboro and beats them

 

[cook]

let's not derail the thread friends...we're all here to celebrate :notgoat:

 

[BaggerofTea]

Pats aren't winning it. They can't pound the ball in short yardage situations. No matter how great Brady is, there are always critical points in big games where that cute shotgun shyt has to take a back seat to the power game.

One word:

Gronk

He is such a big, physical target especially in the short yards, I think they can get away with it this year

Their offense is multi faceted too

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Like today huh?

if they get that #1 seed, let'see who goes up the Foxboro and beats them

today is regular season

 

[Carlos Huerta]

One word:

Gronk

He is such a big, physical target especially in the short yards, I think they can get away with it this year

Their offense is multi faceted too

the two things they have strongly in their favor are Gronk and Gostkowski. Still think a lack of power running will rear its ugly head at one point though.

 

[AkaDemiK]

@cook

 

[No1]

let's not derail the thread friends...we're all here to celebrate :notgoat:

No Debate: Facts Show Tom Brady Better Than Peyton Manning
Cold, Hard Football Facts for Oct 31, 2014



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The Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning debate has dominated the interwebs now for at least a decade. The debate will continue for decades to come after the careers of these two all-time greats are over.

But for those people devoted to the stats, the data, the truth; for those people devoted to the Cold, Hard Football Facts, there is no debate: Tom Brady is an empirically superior quarterback.

Short version: Brady is Manning's statistical equal, despite playing his entire career outdoors with inferior talent, Brady puts up more points, wins more games, and doesn't shyt the bed every year in the playoffs.

Here's the long version the story.

Brady and Manning are statistical equals; one's just played longer

The average Brady-Manning debate typically breaks down along this fault-line: Brady wins, but Manning is statisticaly superior.

Manning, for example, set the all-time touchdown pass record two weeks ago, and will soon own almost every single individual passing record.

Brady is not exactly chopped liver in the stat department, folks. He is right now tied for fourth all-time in career TD passes (377) and is sixth in passing yards (51,208). Based on likely expectations, Brady will finish his career in the top 3 all-time in most major passing categories. It's unlikely he'll catch Manning's totals. But the notion that Brady is statistically inferior is a fabrication.

Manning's prolific records are largely volume stats – stats based upon how long and how often you play. Hell, Vinny Testaverde is an all-time top 10 quarterback if we rely on volume numbers. Even someone who believes in the myth that Manning > Brady would not put Testaverde on their all-time Top-10 list. He's just a guy who played a long time.

When it comes to volume stats, remember Manning has played three more seasons and 46 more games than Brady. His career has been nearly 25 percent longer than Brady's. Manning has attempted 1,837 more passes – nearly 27 percent more pass attempts than Brady.

Of course Manning boasts gaudier volume stats. He's played longer and thrown the ball far more often!

When we look instead at the two quarterbacks based upon averages, percentages and efficiency; in other words, when we look at them on an even playing field, their statistical careers are much, much closer than anyone realizes.

• Brady: 63.5% completions, 7.5 YPA, 5.5% TDs, 2.0% INTs, 96.1 rating
• Manning: 65.6% completions, 7.7 YPA, 5.9% TDs, 2.6% INTs, 97.9 rating

Manning's average attempt over the course of his career gains a whopping 7 inches more than Brady's average career attempt. Over the course of 1,000 attempts, Manning will throw four more TD passes, but also 6 more INTs. In fact, the biggest single statistical difference between the two is that Manning is more likely to throw picks. Brady's ability to care for the ball as well or better than any QB in history is one major reason he's the greatest winner in the history of the game – and Manning is not.

As we've shown over the years, INTs have a direct impact on wins and losses. And Manning throws them more often.

Otherwise, we're talking a razor-thin margin in statistical performance between the two QBs. The difference in their career ratings amounts to a couple pass attempts over the course of an entire season.

Despite the belief that one player continually puts up better individual stats, the reality is that there is no discernible statistical different between Brady and Manning game in and game out.

Peyton Manning has played with plenty of strong, Super Bowl-caliber defenses

The reality, the Cold, Hard Football Facts, are quite a bit different. The 2005 Colts boasted the No. 2 defense in football, surrendering just 15.4 PPG on their way to a 14-2 record.

The 2005 Colts, with Peyton Manning and an elite defense, went one-and-done in the playoffs, losing 21-18 at home when Manning and the offense struggled to get into gear and, indeed, had produced just a single field goal through three quarters.

Remember the 16-0 Patriots of 2007? Well, it was Peyton Manning's Colts which boasted the league's No. 1 defense that year, surrendering just 16.4 PPG. Those 2007 Colts, which paired Peyton Manning with the best defense in football, also failed to win a single playoff game. The heavily favored Colts lost at home 28-24 to the Chargers.

Manning in that game threw picks on consecutive possessions inside Chargers territory, including one with the ball sitting at the San Diego 4 yard line.

The 2012 Broncos paired Peyton Manning with the league's No. 4 scoring defense; yet again, that team failed to win a single playoff game. Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens.

Including this season, Manning has played with seven different defenses that ranked in the Top 8 in scoring. Brady has played with eight different defenses that ranked in the Top 8 in scoring.

Manning's teams have surrendered an average of 21.4 PPG; Brady's teams 18.8 PPG. But Manning has played with Super Bowl-caliber defenses throughout his career, nearly as often as Brady.

The Cold, Hard Reality: Peyton Manning shyts the bed every year in the playoffs

Manning is a prolific Hall of Fame quarterback who will be remembered as one of the all-time great.

But the bottom line is that his otherwise brilliant career is burdened by one undeniable weakness: he shyts the bed almost every f*cking year in the playoffs. In fact, based upon regular season production and postseason results, Manning is probably the worst Big Game quarterback of all time, always reserving his worst game of the season for the playoffs.

1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson.

1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season.

1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL.

1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs.

2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record.

2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs.

2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets.

2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0.One and done in the playoffs.

2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair.

2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England.

2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award.

2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shyts the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point.

2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends.

2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shyt the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs.

2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record.

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st).

2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl.

2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shyt the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating).

2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees.

2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG).

2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs.

2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed.

2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs.

2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606).

2013 postseason – Manning takes shytting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shyt all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half.

The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor.

So there you have it, folks: Brady produces similar stats, more points and more victories. He's won more playoff games and more Super Bowls. And he doesn't shyt the bed every year in the playoffs. Brady, in other words, is better by every meaningful empirical measure.

 

[cook]

No Debate: Facts Show Tom Brady Better Than Peyton Manning
Cold, Hard Football Facts for Oct 31, 2014



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The Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning debate has dominated the interwebs now for at least a decade. The debate will continue for decades to come after the careers of these two all-time greats are over.

But for those people devoted to the stats, the data, the truth; for those people devoted to the Cold, Hard Football Facts, there is no debate: Tom Brady is an empirically superior quarterback.

Short version: Brady is Manning's statistical equal, despite playing his entire career outdoors with inferior talent, Brady puts up more points, wins more games, and doesn't shyt the bed every year in the playoffs.

Here's the long version the story.

:notgoat:

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

No Debate: Facts Show Tom Brady Better Than Peyton Manning
Cold, Hard Football Facts for Oct 31, 2014



Tweet

The Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning debate has dominated the interwebs now for at least a decade. The debate will continue for decades to come after the careers of these two all-time greats are over.

But for those people devoted to the stats, the data, the truth; for those people devoted to the Cold, Hard Football Facts, there is no debate: Tom Brady is an empirically superior quarterback.

Short version: Brady is Manning's statistical equal, despite playing his entire career outdoors with inferior talent, Brady puts up more points, wins more games, and doesn't shyt the bed every year in the playoffs.

Here's the long version the story.

Pass the link for this.

I was talking to my cousin on the phone the other day, and he's a Manning stan and has lived and died with Manning is the GOAT and he's slightly better than Brady.

Then I hit him over the head with them COLD HARD FACTS. He's changed his tune since on some shyt. I brought up both QB's stats side-by-side on Pro-Football-Reference.com, and did the stats per game comparison. Despite playing in Foxboro and with shyt offensive talent, Brady barely trails Manning in TD/game and beats him in INT/game, while virtually matching Manning on pass attempts/game.

So basically Manning stans' crutch has always been the stats Manning puts up. Little do they know the stats are not as far apart as they think. Manning has played longer, so the longevity stats and records are in his favor. But on a per game basis, and with the stats put in context? Well...

I won't even get into playoff stats and successes.

 

[JLova]

Pass the link for this.

I was talking to my cousin on the phone the other day, and he's a Manning stan and has lived and died with Manning is the GOAT and he's slightly better than Brady.

Then I hit him over the head with them COLD HARD FACTS. He's changed his tune since on some shyt. I brought up both QB's stats side-by-side on Pro-Football-Reference.com, and did the stats per game comparison. Despite playing in Foxboro and with shyt offensive talent, Brady barely trails Manning in TD/game and beats him in INT/game, while virtually matching Manning on pass attempts/game.

So basically Manning stans' crutch has always been the stats Manning puts up. Little do they know the stats are not as far apart as they think. Manning has played longer, so the longevity stats and records are in his favor. But on a per game basis, and with the stats put in context? Well...

I won't even get into playoff stats and successes.

What about the fact that both QBs played on different TEAMS and faced different DEFENSES? The only fact is Brady has 2 more rings than Peyton. That's all you got.

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

What about the fact that both QBs played on different TEAMS and faced different DEFENSES? The only fact is Brady has 2 more rings than Peyton. That's all you got.

nikka, what?

 

[No1]

nikka, what?

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...rady-better-than-peyton-manning/31873/[/QUOTE link.

 

[Jplaya2023]

i haven't seen @O RLY in a while

in 2 weeks when brady goes to indy to beatup on the new seyton manning we gonna need ghostbusters to find this nikka

 

[cook]

Brady is cool and all but let's get back on track here with some more manningface. It's easy to see why they put him on TV all the time. :notgoat:

 

[jdubnyce]

Brady is cool and all but let's get back on track here with some more manningface. It's easy to see why they put him on TV all the time. :notgoat: