Popovich says Euro Players work harder

[yseJ]

The idea that europe isnt filled with a$$holes like america is pretty ridiculous. I mean look at all the soccer players over there that are racist and complete a$$holes...but maybe thats why Pop gets along with them

sounds like you created that idea yourself. pop was clearly talking about basketball only

"and it’s no wonder the Spurs want to avoid the fate of so many NBA teams, which are, as Spurs GM R.C. Buford says, ‘the end of the road for the developmental habits that are built in the less-structured environment in the U.S.’ "

"The NBA draft, more than the draft in any other sport, is based on potential. With only two rounds, GMs can’t miss, and when Pop looks at American talent he sees many players who ‘have been coddled since eighth, ninth, 10th grade by various factions or groups of people. But the foreign kids don’t live with that. So they don’t feel entitled,’ he says, noting how many clubs work on fundamentals in two-a-day practices, each lasting up to three hours. ‘Now, you can’t paint it with too wide of a brush, but in general, that’s a fact.’"

these are all structural/nurtural points basically

if american nba player would be unknown/unpriveleged in high school/college age, say, like american soccer players of the same age to the general public, this wouldnt happen, imo

 

[yseJ]

Its not a theory...If you asked POP, Eva Mendes, etc, about Tony, they would surely say that he is not like those "other" ones...

And besides, what examples has anyone given besides T.P.

And Pop did not specify what he meant by "work harder"

What do you think he meant?

it doesnt look you even read your own thread besides your own thoughts

first of all, I gave you examples in my first post: diaw and mahinmi, whom he coached directly

second of all, to answer your question, I addressed what he meant by 'work harder'. it even says that in the article you quoted

unless youre super competitive person like kobe who will work 100% all the time no matter what, most bball (and football) athletes in this country are coddled since they exhibit the talent. they are given priveleges that arent given to european players, no matter the race. and given those priveleges its easy to abuse them and not be 100% into the sport

 

[OGmittee]

sounds like you created that idea yourself. pop was clearly talking about basketball only

"and it’s no wonder the Spurs want to avoid the fate of so many NBA teams, which are, as Spurs GM R.C. Buford says, ‘the end of the road for the developmental habits that are built in the less-structured environment in the U.S.’ "

"The NBA draft, more than the draft in any other sport, is based on potential. With only two rounds, GMs can’t miss, and when Pop looks at American talent he sees many players who ‘have been coddled since eighth, ninth, 10th grade by various factions or groups of people. But the foreign kids don’t live with that. So they don’t feel entitled,’ he says, noting how many clubs work on fundamentals in two-a-day practices, each lasting up to three hours. ‘Now, you can’t paint it with too wide of a brush, but in general, that’s a fact.’"

these are all structural/nurtural points basically

if american nba player would be unknown/unpriveleged in high school/college age, say, like american soccer players of the same age to the general public, this wouldnt happen, imo

at this whole post.

youre almost there but you havent quite got it.

Your comparison is pretty fair, because American soccer players would not be able to be an a$$hole to european coaches and be able to play overseas, so they behave and have to "work harder" or take any advice that they are given by the more influential euro coaches/managers.

Very similar to how euro basketball players want to make it to the big time and the only way they can do that is by being "great listeners" and "hard workers" when an american coach speaks or asks them to do something.

Plus you completely ignored the numbers and law of averages that i brought up but thats ok. I assume you understand how that concept works tho so i wont give another example or try to explain further.






The theory your using is similar to how racists verify their hate towards another race. "They dont know how to act because look at the community they were brought up in."

 

[GreatestLaker]

The guys you listed prior, I do not count. Maybe Ibaka.

Tim plays Olympic ball for the U.S.A. and Deng been in the states since he was 15, even though he plays for Britain when its warranted...

They have never been an international pro is what I'm saying.....

You don't count them because they are black.

Marc Gasol went to High School and College in the US, but I'd bet anything you consider him an international player.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

sounds like you created that idea yourself. pop was clearly talking about basketball only

"and it’s no wonder the Spurs want to avoid the fate of so many NBA teams, which are, as Spurs GM R.C. Buford says, ‘the end of the road for the developmental habits that are built in the less-structured environment in the U.S.’ "

"The NBA draft, more than the draft in any other sport, is based on potential. With only two rounds, GMs can’t miss, and when Pop looks at American talent he sees many players who ‘have been coddled since eighth, ninth, 10th grade by various factions or groups of people. But the foreign kids don’t live with that. So they don’t feel entitled,’ he says, noting how many clubs work on fundamentals in two-a-day practices, each lasting up to three hours. ‘Now, you can’t paint it with too wide of a brush, but in general, that’s a fact.’"

these are all structural/nurtural points basically

if american nba player would be unknown/unpriveleged in high school/college age, say, like american soccer players of the same age to the general public, this wouldnt happen, imo

But how do Euros "Work Harder" We can spit cultural differences all day.

Are they putting in extra hours or something, working on their game??

Or is POP just perpetuating a perception and not a fact?

 

[Poppa_Dock]

But how do Euros "Work Harder" We can spit cultural differences all day.

Are they putting in extra hours or something, working on their game??

Or is POP just perpetuating a perception and not a fact?

you are pretty much proving pops point with your shytty attitude( im assuming your american)

if you aren't going to listen to the opinion of somebody who knows wtf they are talking about then don't get involved in the conversation.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

it doesnt look you even read your own thread besides your own thoughts

first of all, I gave you examples in my first post: diaw and mahinmi, whom he coached directly

second of all, to answer your question, I addressed what he meant by 'work harder'. it even says that in the article you quoted

unless youre super competitive person like kobe who will work 100% all the time no matter what, most bball (and football) athletes in this country are coddled since they exhibit the talent. they are given priveleges that arent given to european players, no matter the race. and given those priveleges its easy to abuse them and not be 100% into the sport

You nor POP explicitely stated what was meant by "work harder" All you and POP have done, is compare cultural differences, and different styles of coaching....ie working on fundamentals....What do Euro Players do, after joining the NBA, that makes him say that these guys are hard workers?


And if Boris Diaw was such a hard freaking worker, like POP likes to say, he would have kept his weight down in stayed in shape, ALL THE TIME

 

[yseJ]

at this whole post.

youre almost there but you havent quite got it.

Your comparison is pretty fair, because American soccer players would not be able to be an a$$hole to european coaches and be able to play overseas, so they behave and have to "work harder" or take any advice that they are given by the more influential euro coaches/managers.

Very similar to how euro basketball players want to make it to the big time and the only way they can do that is by being "great listeners" and "hard workers" when an american coach speaks or asks them to do something.

this is completely NOT the point I was making. the point isnt to suck up to coaches in a place where sport youre in is the strongest in terms of competition

point is in completely different upbringing in europe and here

here, from high school on : youre the shyt u can fukk my bytch based qb/pg/whatever

there: you aint shyt until you play for us as a pro, and youll only be the shyt because of us.

therefore you have very few instances where players have attitude before they even start pro careers in europe, even in soccer. its only when they are praised for pro play worldwide do their attitudes develop

not so much in the NBA where a great player in college already thinks hes the shyt and think he knows shyt better than the coach.

Plus you completely ignored the numbers and law of averages that i brought up but thats ok.

I ignored it because it has nothing to do with my argument. Im not arguing that pop has had a completely objective and empirically highly correct picture- that's impossible. he doesn't either- he just speaks his opinion from his experience.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

you are pretty much proving pops point with our shytty attitude( im assuming your american)

if you aren't going to listen to the opinion of somebody who knows wtf they are talking about then don't get involved in the conversation.

Feel free to put me on ignore,....


However, when someone makes a blanket statement, you're gonna have to come with facts, not opinions...And when it comes to blacks, you don't need any facts, just opinion...

But I see ya

I seriously doubt a white baseball manager with POP like credentials ever said Dominicans work harder than American baseball players.....

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You don't count them because they are black.

Marc Gasol went to High School and College in the US, but I'd bet anything you consider him an international player.

I most certainly do not consider him an international player.....

Never knew Marc played High School ball in the states


Edit. Knew I wasn't crazy: jfk cleared it up....

Gave you the benefit and thought you knew what you were talking about

 

[OGmittee]

this is completely NOT the point I was making. the point isnt to suck up to coaches in a place where sport youre in is the strongest in terms of competition

point is in completely different upbringing in europe and here

here, from high school on : youre the shyt u can fukk my bytch based qb/pg/whatever

there: you aint shyt until you play for us as a pro, and youll only be the shyt because of us.

therefore you have very few instances where players have attitude before they even start pro careers in europe, even in soccer. its only when they are praised for pro play worldwide do their attitudes develop

not so much in the NBA where a great player in college already thinks hes the shyt and think he knows shyt better than the coach.


I ignored it because it has nothing to do with my argument. Im not arguing that pop has had a completely objective and empirically highly correct picture- that's impossible. he doesn't either- he just speaks his opinion from his experience.

So have you been to europe?

Im guessing youll answer yes regardless of the truth. But what you are doing is perpetuating the myth that there is some kinda difference in America and Europe when the difference isnt all that much.

I said "youre almost there" because you brought up some points that are almost exactly what im saying. Euro basketball players know they arent shyt until they get to America to play ball. Theres plenty of Euros that play in European leagues that make average money and may have small hometown fame but are nowhere near the players in the US as far as money and fame. Just as there are american soccer leagues but none of the players are even known in America til they make it in Europe and represent the country on the big stage.

You seem like someone who gives others the benefit of being better somehow without even truly knowing whats up. Youre just spewing back some shyt you heard about european culture that was probably regurgitated by some old head that wanted to complain about the new younger generation of players.

I only say this last part because Euro basketball players want to be JUST LIKE American basketball stars that grew up in this "corruptible system" you claim only exists in America. Thats why you can go to youtube and watch some euro trying to make passes like CP3 or you see Ricky Rubio making passes like some of the great american PGs of the past a la Jay-Will. Hell youll even see Euros rapping/acting like American rappers cus they think its cool. But that is getting further away from basketball but is an example of them emulating american lifestyle/culture.

 

[jfkennedy]

You don't count them because they are black.

Marc Gasol went to High School and College in the US, but I'd bet anything you consider him an international player.

Marc Gasol didn't play college ball here. Only high school, then he went back to Spain and played pro ball. He's very much an international player.

 

[jfkennedy]

I most certainly do not consider him an international player.....

Never knew Marc played High School ball in the states

Why not? His entire basketball life, save for 3 years, was spent in Spain before he came to the NBA?

What's your criteria to be an international player, just wondering?

 

[yseJ]

You nor POP explicitely stated what was meant by "work harder" All you and POP have done, is compare cultural differences, and different styles of coaching....ie working on fundamentals....What do Euro Players do, after joining the NBA, that makes him say that these guys are hard workers?

they had to work harder to get to where they are so they are more flexible -thats my point

pops point is that they are more 'fundamentally' hard workers and spend tons of time practicing those things, ie. working hard on them. it makes sense too cuz euros shoot well and shoot Fts well.

cultural differences IS why they are more hard working fundamentally. not racial differences or anything

And if Boris Diaw was such a hard freaking worker, like POP likes to say, he would have kept his weight down in stayed in shape, ALL THE TIME

this is kinda insulting as someone who has an argument with you

first you asked who has pop coached who was black and euro

then you made excuses as to why parker and diaw dont fit your theory. are they black ? yes are they euro yes
then you have no further points to make and are trying to derail this on particulars

 

[Trip]

you see kids at the D2-D3 level these days with handlers...can only imagine what its like at that level.

AAU develops a people are always out to get you mentality....dont think its really the right way of going about it...and hell a lot of the times the AAU coach doesnt have the kids best interest at heart either.