Prime Iverson or Kevin Durant

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what?? t-mac couldn't score like durant???

he could score in more ways than durant could!

fine durant got some efficiency on him but the difference between .45% and .51% (their highest years) is not enough for you to delcare that they aren't in the same conversation. that is ridiculous. especially since durant played with other big time scorers who were there to take some of the load off.

plus KD isn't comfortable shooting from everywhere on the floor. too often in the playoffs late in games he was cornered into takin a bad shot. you couldn't do that with mcgrady.

t-mac could score anywhere and anyhow.

The difference between 45% and 51% is absolutely massive, statistically. Durant too 4 less shots a game and scored just as many points as T-Mac did. That's anywhere from 0-12 PPG you could possibly add to Durant before he shot T-Mac levels.
 
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The difference between 45% and 51% is absolutely massive, statistically. Durant too 4 less shots a game and scored just as many points as T-Mac did. That's anywhere from 0-12 PPG you could possibly add to Durant before he shot T-Mac levels.

no... it isn't.

it means for every 100 shots one guy is gonna make 45 of them and the other guy is gonna make 51 of them. that's all. again... not that big of a fukkin deal. hardly "MASSIVE".

other things go into the game too.
 

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yo you guys put wayyyyy too much emphasis on "efficiency".

it really ain't THAT big a deal if someone shoots the ball at a clip 4 or 5 percent better than the other guy.

and i'm not even tryna take away from durant cause he is ABSOLUTELY an amazing talent but when you see people declaring him an "MJ-tier" scorer then somethin is definitely wrong.

32ppg from MJ and 32ppg from KD are NOT the same thing no matter what the fukkin percentages are.

Umm, no...it really is. Taking less shots to score more or a similar amount of points is a pretty clear barometer of who the more effective scorer is especially when you're comparing perimeter players to other perimeter players.

Being more efficient is almost always better than being less efficient.
 

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Iverson. If he was Kevin Durant heigh .. he'd have like 6 championships by now.

kevin durant is around Iverson skill level at this moment. He needs some rings to validate himself.
 
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Umm, no...it really is. Taking less shots to score more or a similar amount of points is a pretty clear barometer of who the more effective scorer is especially when you're comparing perimeter players to other perimeter players.

Being more efficient is almost always better than being less efficient.

mcgrady played on a team with fewer scorers and was more heavily relied upon offensively, thus resulting in more shots attempted and also more difficult shots.

different teams, different scenarios, different roles... probably gonna dictate different numbers. i could give 2 fukks if KD in his best year shot the ball better than T-Mac by a margin of fukkin 6%. if that's all you're gonna base your opinion on then you don't know basketball cause there is no way that durant was on ANOTHER LEVEL from mcrgady scoring wise.
 

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no... it isn't.

it means for every 100 shots one guy is gonna make 45 of them and the other guy is gonna make 51 of them. that's all. again... not that big of a fukkin deal. hardly "MASSIVE".

other things go into the game too.

Who's a more effective scorer? The guy who can consistently score 32 PPG on 20 shots or the guy who can score 32 on 24 shots?

It means that if the first guy shot as much as the 2nd guy, he could score Anywgere from 0-12 (Possibly 16, if including And-1s). Worst case scenario, they both score the same amount on the same efficiency. Best case, the first dude could score 44 PPG on 45% shooting, if he just chucked up 3s and always made them.

12 Point difference. That's what those 4 extra attempts can mean.
 
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Who's a more effective scorer? The guy who can consistently score 32 PPG on 20 shots or the guy who can score 32 on 24 shots?

It means that if the first guy shot as much as the 2nd guy, he could score Anywgere from 0-12 (Possibly 16, if including And-1s). Worst case scenario, they both score the same amount on the same efficiency. Best case, the first dude could score 44 PPG on 45% shooting, if he just chucked up 3s and always made them.

12 Point difference. That's what those 4 extra attempts can mean.

none of that shyt means anything cause you're assuming the circumstances and the roles for both players are the same.

when westbrook missed the playoffs last year against the griz... fukkin durant's shooting percentage for the series was .421%. that's what happens when you don't have westbrook and you don't have harden and the other team can focus all of their attention on you defensively.

what do you gotta say to that?
 

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The difference between 45% and 51% is absolutely massive, statistically. Durant too 4 less shots a game and scored just as many points as T-Mac did. That's anywhere from 0-12 PPG you could possibly add to Durant before he shot T-Mac levels.

A healthy primed T-Mac never played with a Westbrook, to bring up his efficiency...shyt he never played with a Harden type player, during his 4-5 monster stretch. You gonna sit there and act like that didn't help Durant's % at all?
 
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A healthy primed T-Mac never played with a Westbrook, to bring up his efficiency...shyt he never played with a Harden type player, during his 4-5 monster stretch. You gonna sit there and act like that didn't help Durant's % at all?

what's crazy is that we're talkin margins of 5-6%.
 

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mcgrady played on a team with fewer scorers and was more heavily relied upon offensively, thus resulting in more shots attempted and also more difficult shots.

different teams, different scenarios, different roles... probably gonna dictate different numbers. i could give 2 fukks if KD in his best year shot the ball better than T-Mac by a margin of fukkin 6%. if that's all you're gonna base your opinion on then you don't know basketball cause there is no way that durant was on ANOTHER LEVEL from mcrgady scoring wise.

Durant, without Westbrook, put up even better scoring numbers than he did with Westbrook.

Act like being a more efficient and consistent scorer is somehow a flaw, brehs.

Act like the a TS% of .635 and 32 PPG is the same as a TS% of .564 and 32.1 PPG, brehs.

Act like every possible scoring metric alive doesn't show Durant as the most prolific scoring talent since Jordan, brehs.

Act like you understand statistics when you really don't, brehs.

none of that shyt means anything cause you're assuming the circumstances and the roles for both players are the same.

when westbrook missed the playoffs last year against the griz... fukkin durant's shooting percentage for the series was .421%. that's what happens when you don't have westbrook and you don't have harden and the other team can focus all of their attention on you defensively.

what do you gotta say to that?

What's your point? One series doesn't override a season's worth of work so who cares? Durant shot better without Westbrook in the lineup this year.

A healthy primed T-Mac never played with a Westbrook, to bring up his efficiency...shyt he never played with a Harden type player, during his 4-5 monster stretch. You gonna sit there and act like that didn't help Durant's % at all?

Durant was more efficient when Westbrook was injured this season. Next.
 

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McGrady's % goes up 2-4% if he had a Westbrook to keep the defense honest.

*yawn*

Prove it.

Also, prove that McGrady scores the same amount when playing with one of the most ball dominant PG the league with one of the highest USG rates.

Less shots for McGrady to get means less FGA but higher efficiency and lower PPG.

Stay mad.
 

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Iverson. If he was Kevin Durant heigh .. he'd have like 6 championships by now.

kevin durant is around Iverson skill level at this moment. He needs some rings to validate himself.

But he wasn't and he doesn't :heh: My fellow sub 6' brehs we gotta stop this. You get the physical tools that you get and you gotta make the best of them. You can't just extract and isolate skill. Most players skills are based upon their physical tools. In basketball, if all things are equal or even close to it, you take the taller guy. It's hilarious how KD needs rings to validate himself while AI's 4 trips out of the first round in a historically weak conference is more than enough for him. I'm not for putting team shyt all on individuals but you gotta at least try to be consistent if you are gonna go that route.
 
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