Prime Iverson or Kevin Durant
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Kill Dat Noize
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there's more to the game than just science and math. by you only lookin at the stats you're being blinded to the other aspects of the game. the art, the craft... all that shyt. things like will and determination... all the shyt you don't see in the numbers.
you're never gonna learn the truth just by looking at the stats. they're just one piece of the puzzle.
Who gives a Fukk about will and craft?
I care about impact on the court.
I watched T-Mac play and Durant play. He wasn't the scorer Durant was and he didn't have the overall impact that Durant did.
I know plenty of players who impact doesn't show up on box score or stats (Duncan, KG, Big Ben, Pippen, Lebron, Dirk, Nash, CP3, Kidd, Paul George, Curry, etc)
I don't care about Iverson's will, it doesn't compare to Lebron's impact. It doesn't matter what you think of Lebron's craft, he's still one of the most impactful and dominant scorers of all time.
T-Mac isn't as good as Durant by any possible metric unless you think "how cool you look" as a stat.
going to the finals once and getting destoryed don't make you top 10 all-time.
durant has alot to prove. I'll say AI for now because he did what Durant did but for a longer time. KD has to win something of value for me to give him the respect some around here are already giving him.
durant has had the most talented roster in the league the last 3 years and has 1 finals apprearance to show for it. you might get ya p*ssy wet based on irrelevant regular season games but for me, I only respect dudes who have done it in the playoffs. when Russ went down last year, KD looked like a shell of himself against Memphis.
KD has accomplished just as much as AI to this point. 1 finals appearance. 1 regular season MVP. a cople of scoring titles. there is no doubt KD has the ability to leave a much greater legacy than AI. but imo its disrepectful to AI to act like KD has already surpassed him. AI accomplished AS MUCH with a less talented team as KD has done so far.
there's more to basketball than that. AI was a dude guys followed to battle. that 01 sixers squad fed off him and took a game from arguably the greatest playoff team ever. Durant doesn't have the same impact from what i've seen. okc has had the most talented roster in basketball the last 3 years and have dissapointed at each turn.
just think about it like this. what would AI do if he had russ, harden, and ibaka as teammates? this was the same dude that took a team with Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, and Mutombo as the next 3 best players to the finals.
First off, show me the list of games where Durant played without Westbrook, and if possible provide me with his fg % during those games - since you want to get into standards of proof along with statistical metrics.
Secondly, when McGrady was going on a tear, he did not have anyone in the caliber of a Harden or a Westbrook, to keep the defense honest. If Durant had to play with those teams T-Mac played over the course of four seasons (328 games) without anyone to shoulder the load for him, it would have been incredible difficult to maintain the same fg% and TS (he's not Michael Jordan).
This is a team game and as such, Durant's teams have been significantly better than McGrady's teams during his relatively few healthy years.
I'm on my mobile phone right now, so I can't crunch numbers right now, but if gathering the information I'm requesting of you is too much of a burden, then I'll do it when I get home tonight.
I'll take McGrady's 5 best seasons, along with the caliber of teammates to assist him and compare them with Durant's caliber of teammates he's had to play with, taking into account their production levels, how defenses play them, 4th qtr scoring leaders, etc, etc.
I'll locate videos to show how defenses played both McGrady and Durant during the respecting seasons in which we are comparing.
And for the record, I'm not saying McGrady better; what I'm saying is that IF McGrady was able to be healthy his entire career he would have been in the conversation. And please state your opinion on why Durant's Michael Jordan-like efficiency went down to 42% against the phukin Grizzlies...you have yet to address that.
Note: Many of the threads in the Coliseum are based on hypothetical scenarios.
Kill Dat Noize
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Who gives a Fukk about will and craft?
I care about impact on the court.
One leads to the other, friend.
MJ wasn't the best just because of his stats.
There's a whole other game being played.
Who gives a Fukk about will and craft?
I care about impact on the court.
I watched T-Mac play and Durant play. He wasn't the scorer Durant was and he didn't have the overall impact that Durant did.
I know plenty of players who impact doesn't show up on box score or stats (Duncan, KG, Big Ben, Pippen, Lebron, Dirk, Nash, CP3, Kidd, Paul George, Curry, etc)
I don't care about Iverson's will, it doesn't compare to Lebron's impact. It doesn't matter what you think of Lebron's craft, he's still one of the most impactful and dominant scorers of all time.
T-Mac isn't as good as Durant by any possible metric unless you think "how cool you look" as a stat.
McGrady was MUCH better than Durant. don't confuse the obession of current stars like Durant on keeping their efficiency stats up with being better players or scorers. T-Mac was much better handling the rock, passing, and scoring off the dribble than Durant. plus he had a post-game if you put small guys on him like Cp3. something KD doesn't have right now. only thing KD has on T-Mac is catch and shoot ability coming off screens. also T-Mac was a better defender WHEN HE WANTED.
T-Mac only flaw was he couldn't stay healthly. If healthy, he's ARGUABLY the most talented player in NBA history. And I say this as a Kobe stan cause T-Mac could do everything Kobe could, just in a 6'9" frame. only a young nikka who never saw him play would care to think KD is better than T-Mac at his peak. Peak T-Mac is in class with Kobe and LeBron as the best wing of the post-Jordan era.
Russell Westbrook - top 5 player.
Serge Ibaka = top 20 players (top 5 rim protector)
James Harden = top 10 player
even Bron didn't play with as much talent as KD.
The War Report
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James Harden ain't been on the team going on 3 seasons fukking idiot
James Harden ain't been on the team going on 3 seasons fukking idiot
But he was on the Team when they lost to the Heat in the Finals and that's what matters.