Prime Kobe or Current Lebron

[2Quik4UHoes]

Nah man, that sounds like some convenient "I trust the numbers except when I don't" bullshyt.

Dudes were saying the same shyt 15 years ago when Kobe was doing his thing and Jordan defenders were like, nah, Kobe aint even close. Except Kobe was close.

Give this man his credit.
And also, let's not pretend like having Shaq down low occupying 2 men didn't allow Kobe the opportunity to exploit defenses.

Lebron's a great player man. Kobe was too.

They're just different styles.

Nah its not the same at all. Jordan stans just hated Kobe stans cuz he was the closest thing to him in real time.

Kobe didn't have Shaq for the majority of his prime so bringing him up is pointless. Prime Kobe did whatever he wanted offensively, the reason you are dismissing this is because he was relegated to dragging d leaguers and low tier bums into the playoffs rather than playing on a team that would better show his abilities. Truth is, LeBron isn't the complete weapon that Prime Kobe was. As I said, Prime Kobe can do all the things lebron does but LeBron prolly couldn't do half the shyt Prime Kobe was capable of.

 

[Remote]

Nah its not the same at all. Jordan stans just hated Kobe stans cuz he was the closest thing to him in real time.

Kobe didn't have Shaq for the majority of his prime so bringing him up is pointless. Prime Kobe did whatever he wanted offensively, the reason you are dismissing this is because he was relegated to dragging d leaguers and low tier bums into the playoffs rather than playing on a team that would better show his abilities. Truth is, LeBron isn't the complete weapon that Prime Kobe was. As I said, Prime Kobe can do all the things lebron does but LeBron prolly couldn't do half the shyt Prime Kobe was capable of.

But the numbers don't support you, breh.

Kobe shoots a .454 FG%
Lebron shoots a .497 FG%

Kobe shoots a .335 3P%
Lebron shoots a .341 3P%

Kobe averages 25.5 PPG
Lebron averages 27.5 PPG

Kobe shoots a .838 FT%
Lebron shoots a .774 FT%

Kobe averages 4.8 assists per game.
Lebron averages 6.3 assists per game.

Kobe averages 25.6 PPG/4.7 APG/5.1 RPG in the playoffs.
Lebron averages 28.0 PPG/6.4 APG/8.4 RPG in the playoffs.

Like, I know you keep saying that numbers don't show everything, but all the numbers show that Lebron can, and has done virtually everything Kobe did.
So you gotta come up with something a little more concrete than just telling me you have to watch the man play. Because anyone who is being honest with themselves has to admit that personal observation is HEAVILY susceptible to personal bias and is highly unreliable.

I mean you can't tell me that this dude is so inferior to Kobe, but he's putting up all the numbers that Kobe put up. How do you do that if you're that inferior?
And it's not like we're talking about different generations...like comparing Lebron and Bill Walton or some shyt.

What it sounds like is that people like Kobe's game AESTHETICALLY. But that has little to do with EFFECTIVENESS.

 

[Goat poster]

What it sounds like is that people like Kobe's game AESTHETICALLY. But that has little to do with EFFECTIVENESS.

This is basically what every Kobe stans argument comes down to once you strip all the bullshyt from it.

I wish more would just admit it.

 

[Poitier]

What it sounds like is that people like Kobe's game AESTHETICALLY. But that has little to do with EFFECTIVENESS.

So show me the shot charts where Lebron shoots from everywhere on the floor on similar volume from each spot at above league average efficiency?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

So show me the shot charts where Lebron shoots from everywhere on the floor on similar volume from each spot at above league average efficiency?

This is what they don't understand. These idiots keep going back to numbers like numbers speak the whole truth. Look, if you seen both of them play you know who the superior individual player is and it ain't lebron.

 

[Remote]

So show me the shot charts where Lebron shoots from everywhere on the floor on similar volume from each spot at above league average efficiency?

Why?

And why aren't you requesting this information when comparing Kobe to Jordan, or Drexler, or Malone, or Dr J, or Magic, or Bird...etc?

What difference does that make?

Are people analyzing shot charts trying to see if Carmelo Anthony took lower risk shots than Kevin Durant?

 

[Poitier]

Why?

And why aren't you requesting this information when comparing Kobe to Jordan, or Drexler, or Malone, or Dr J, or Magic, or Bird...etc?

What difference does that make?

Are people analyzing shot charts trying to see if Carmelo Anthony took lower risk shots than Kevin Durant?

A player who can hit shots at a higher clip from EVERYWHERE on the floor is going to be defended different than a guy who gets all his efficient shots at the rim or in transition with a few shots elsewhere


Kevin Durant can score anywhere Melo can outside of post ups so its a dumb comparison

 

[Remote]

A player who can hit shots at a higher clip from EVERYWHERE on the floor is going to be defended different than a guy who gets all his efficient shots at the rim or in transition with a few shots elsewhere

So show me the shot charts since you're bringing it up.

 

[Remote]

And why should a player be penalized for being successful and taking high percentage shots?
That's stupid, even for you @Poitier

 

[KingJudah]

But but Shaq shoots higher FG% than bron so Shaq is more effective and thus better.

Thats yall nikkas logic

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Why?

And why aren't you requesting this information when comparing Kobe to Jordan, or Drexler, or Malone, or Dr J, or Magic, or Bird...etc?

What difference does that make?

Are people analyzing shot charts trying to see if Carmelo Anthony took lower risk shots than Kevin Durant?

No, we're looking at who can do what on the floor. LeBron absolutely can't do the things Prime Kobe could do on the floor, Prime Kobe could do anything LeBron currently does now plus more. Much better footwork, much more reliable mid range and 3 ball, vastly superior post game, lockdown defense, can crash the boards when necessary. You close off the paint for LeBron what's he gon do? Do the numbers speak to that? Put a diaw type on him what's he gon do? Whole teams had to defend Prime Kobe it wasn't no one on one shyt just hacking and double/triple teams.

 

[Remote]

But but Shaq shoots higher FG% than bron so Shaq is more effective and thus better.

Thats yall nikkas logic

It's not the same argument.

If what @Poitier is saying is that Kobe is better at the long range shots...then why doesn't his FG percentage reflect that? Lebron shoots a better percentage, both in general and in 3-pointers.

In order for Kobe to be a better deep-range shooter and have a lower shooting percentage than Lebron, he'd have to be worse at the closer shots ....which is to say he'd have to be worse at the HIGHER PERCENTAGE SHOT.

Breh, that doesn't even make sense.

 

[Poitier]

So show me the shot charts since you're bringing it up.

http://stats.nba.com/shotcharts.html

look at any year that you like

Why do you think Lebron's efficiency plummets from regular season to playoffs? Less transition buckets, game slows down and harder to get to the rim.

And why should a player be penalized for being successful and taking high percentage shots?
That's stupid, even for you @Poitier

You are missing the point

A defenses schematics and how they have to defend a guy capable of hitting any shot at an efficient clip is a huge part of Kobe's value

 

[NYC Rebel]

A player who can hit shots at a higher clip from EVERYWHERE on the floor is going to be defended different than a guy who gets all his efficient shots at the rim or in transition with a few shots elsewhere


Kevin Durant can score anywhere Melo can outside of post ups so its a dumb comparison

What if stopping him from taking shots close to the rim poses difficulty for a team regardless?

 

[Poitier]

If what @Poitier is saying is that Kobe is better at the long range shots...then why doesn't his FG percentage reflect that? Lebron shoots a better percentage, both in general and in 3-pointers.

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