Prime Lamar Odom or Draymond Green

[Reggie]

Odom

 

[Jplaya2023]

Klay >>> PG

fukk outta here

 

[MJ Truth]

I'll give you LeBron in Miami. Teams were legit afraid to run pick n rolls against them because of the way he and Bosh would blitzed the ball handler. But I've always viewed centers as individual defenders even tho, Pat, Dream, and Dave were unique. So I see your point. But watching Draymond is different. Dude never gives up on a play almost never seems out of position.

Draymond understands the other offenses so well. He's pretty much never out of position because he usually knows what the opposition is about to do. If you wanted to nerd out and had enough time on your hands, re-watching the Cavs/Warriors Finals of the last three years and only focusing on LeBron and Green is amazing. They're two of, if not THE two, smartest players in the current league and they're the only ones who can routinely outsmart each other, and have the physical capabilities to match each other (at least to an extent with Green). Rondo would be in that same conversation if he was 6'8 I think.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Draymond understands the other offenses so well. He's pretty much never out of position because he usually knows what the opposition is about to do. If you wanted to nerd out and had enough time on your hands, re-watching the Cavs/Warriors Finals of the last three years and only focusing on LeBron and Green is amazing. They're two of, if not THE two, smartest players in the current league and they're the only ones who can routinely outsmart each other, and have the physical capabilities to match each other (at least to an extent with Green). Rondo would be in that same conversation if he was 6'8 I think.

 

[Draje]

Draymond understands the other offenses so well. He's pretty much never out of position because he usually knows what the opposition is about to do. If you wanted to nerd out and had enough time on your hands, re-watching the Cavs/Warriors Finals of the last three years and only focusing on LeBron and Green is amazing. They're two of, if not THE two, smartest players in the current league and they're the only ones who can routinely outsmart each other, and have the physical capabilities to match each other (at least to an extent with Green). Rondo would be in that same conversation if he was 6'8 I think.

Lebron and Green are freakishly high IQ players. Kawhi is just one of those savant basketball instinct defenders.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

LeBron in Miami was a better team defender than Draymond Green.

To add: the worst thing about this LeBron stan narrative is not that it's blatantly wrong, or that it undervalues Draymond's defensive impact, roles and abilities; but yet somehow all the defensive roles and impact that Bosh had on those Heat teams have been erased from memory, as if he didn't exist at all. Because that's what you're suggesting, that LeBron had more defensive impact in Miami than Draymond does now in GS. That would mean that LeBron was protecting the rim, controlling the PnR on defense, anchoring the paint, guarding big men, plugging holes in the halfcourt etc etc, and that Bosh was just a defensive footnote.

Court Vision: Chris Bosh holds the Heat defense together
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There is nothing Erik Spoelstra has praised more passionately this season that Chris Bosh’s defense –-- “Chris is an elite defender and is proving it every single night” --– and consider this: No starting center in the league allows fewer points per possession against the player he’s guarding (factoring in shots and turnovers) than Bosh. Opponents are shooting 37.7 percent against Bosh, lower than against Dwight Howard (38.3) and Joakim Noah (39.9), according to synergysports.com.

How could LeBron possibly be a better team defender than Draymond, when Bosh was arguably the most important player for the Heat on defense? How could LeBron fulfill all these defensive roles in Miami (to a greater level than Draymond) when Bosh was really the one who anchored the defense?



Another glitch in the LeBron stan matrix.

 

[Remote]

BrothaZay 100 Star thread.

 

[YourMajesty]

LeBron in Miami was a better team defender than Draymond Green.

Man if you don’t get the fukk outta here with this nonsense

 

[Hungerpain]

Draymond green is not that nice you nikkas really need to cut it out.

 

[Malta]

1 man team defense....man is everywhere.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Odom more talented, draymond plays to his full potential

 

[surv2syn]

Dray is better defensively, outside of that, L.O. and its not even close. L.O. was super underrated and never got the accolades that Dray has received, but he should have. him and Byron Scott always come to mind first when I think of best players to never make an ASG. things are different today. if Dray were on those teams, he wouldnt make ASG or All NBA. not that he shouldnt but that is just the way it was.

 

[Cladyclad]

LO, because he you wont call kd after losing a game 7 to beat lebron

U right LO would smoke crack instead

 

[CHICAGO]

@Houston911





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[ProlificLurker]

L.O. is the better individual talent, Dray is the more impactful basketball player. If I had to pick a forward for my NBA basketball team I'm going Dray all day, if I had to pick one for a pick-up game on 155th and 8th I'd take L.O., it would be dope to see L.O. in the league now though he'd be perfect in the pace and space league. I think Lamar Odom and Robert Horry are tailor made for today.

Dray is an All-Time great defender, that puts him ahead of players who are better at scoring the rock. His wide base, motor, wingspan, attitude, instincts, I.Q., hustle, strength just make him a terror defensively. He is also a great distributor before one of you says "bu bu but he has Steph and Klay", nah son just has great court vision, in the open floor he has underrated speed and ball handling at his size, he's been dropping dimes and getting triple doubles since Michigan State.

QFT