Private Schools Have Become Truly Obscene

[ExodusNirvana]

One of my instructors daughters goes to Dalton...his other one two if I'm not mistaken

He described the process of getting in....your kid essentially has to get interviewed when they're toddlers to even have a shot

And even after that it's like 35,000 a year for tuition

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

An analysis of the College Board's study on grade inflation (essay) | Inside Higher Ed

this is conflation of grade inflation and weighted GPA's, it's fully understood what's happening with a weighted GPA and colleges choose whether to use the weighed or unweighted gpa.

 

[the cac mamba]

fukk any teachers who are talking about working from home in the FALL, public or private. thats not what they're paid to do

 

[Scholar]

fukk any teachers who are talking about working from home in the FALL, public or private. thats not what they're paid to do

You think it was a good idea for teachers to be in person during a pandemic

 

[MoneyTron]

An analysis of the College Board's study on grade inflation (essay) | Inside Higher Ed

he practice goes back to the 1960s. What has changed is that the number of students enrolled in Advanced Placement classes has exploded in the last two decades. In 1998, the year with which Hurwitz and Lee began, more than 600,000 students took at least one AP exam. In 2015, around 2.6 million students did. With four times as many students getting weighted grades, is it any wonder that the average GPA has risen?

This ignores the increase in the population of students. I'd imagine the percentage change isn't that impressive.

Regardless, kids taking more difficult classes is not grade inflation. I took Honors and few AP classes in HS and they were appreciably harder than the regular classes. If you have to put in more effort that should warrant a grade adjustment. Anecdotal evidence but most of the kids in those higher classes with me went on to great schools and careers afterwards, outside of Zaid Jilani ().

 

[the cac mamba]

You think it was a good idea for teachers to be in person during a pandemic

article is past tense. misread it as present tense

point still stands tho. these teachers talking about not going back this fall should only get half a paycheck

 

[mastermind]

This ignores the increase in the population of students. I'd imagine the percentage change isn't that impressive.

Regardless, kids taking more difficult classes is not grade inflation. I took Honors and few AP classes in HS and they were appreciably harder than the regular classes. If you have to put in more effort that should warrant a grade adjustment. Anecdotal evidence but most of the kids in those higher classes with me went on to great schools and careers afterwards, outside of Zaid Jilani ().

this is conflation of grade inflation and weighted GPA's, it's fully understood what's happening with a weighted GPA and colleges choose whether to use the weighed or unweighted gpa.

You both are missing the point, which the article @ogc163 shared made earlier with regards to wealthier schools. You have a lot of these classes available at those wealthier schools and parents who are louder and will get grades changed for their child.

It inflates student grades at wealthier schools.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You both are missing the point, which the article @og163 made earlier with regards to wealthier schools. You have a lot of these classes available at those wealthier schools and parents who are louder and will get grades changed for their child.

It inflates student grades at wealthier schools.

AP grades aren't inflation...sorry. you can easily unweight GPA's to normalize the comparison of GPA's across schools.

parents complaining, sure, but like @Shogun and i were discussing, that happens from public to private and rich to poor schools. parents kick up dust and get grades changed, homework extensions, etc.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Solving public school issues is not the main point of the article though, it's the outsized advantages that come from attending one of these schools.

Then why enter the thread if you don't care?! The shallow hot take doesn't add anything of value.

She sees herself as a rising member of the wealthy elite and thus is defensive and critical of anything that calls out their excesses. In order to justify her own actions and position, she believes in a fantasy world where there are no limited resources and the outsized expenditures and advantages given to the rich somehow have no effect on the poor and working-class whatsoever. As a posturing wealthy liberal, she blames the poor themselves, government, society, etc. for failing the disadvantaged, but certainly doesn't want to blame the very processes that keep rich people rich or see anything that created the circumstances that give her advantages to be put under scrutiny.

(Note - she's also very very sensitive about this, so don't point it out overtly or she'll hold a lasting grudge against you.)

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Until you're there it's difficult to fathom how large the advantages those kids have. The school library is five stories tall, and there was an entire section devoted to books written by students who had attended the school (several of which were well-known classics). They are putting the finishing touches on a science building that cost approximately $50 million to construct. Average class size was about 10 students and all classes were discussion-based with no lectures. I think tuition is currently around $50,000-60,000 per child.

Someone is suggesting, "But how does this effect everyone else?" and the answer is that elite education is a limited resource in America. 1/4 of Harvard students attended elite American schools like this, and another big chunk are international students who attended similar schools overseas. Most of the remainder attended the next lower tier of private schools or those rare ultra-elite public schools. The parents of those children wish to monopolize those slots as much as possible, and they're not going to do jack shyt to seriously help other kids have a chance if it impedes on their monopoly.

 

[mastermind]

AP grades aren't inflation...sorry. you can easily unweight GPA's to normalize the comparison of GPA's across schools.

parents complaining, sure, but like @Shogun and i were discussing, that happens from public to private and rich to poor schools. parents kick up dust and get grades changed, homework extensions, etc.

Now which level of parents does it more? That and the rich schools have way more AP and IB courses than poorer schools.

 

[ogc163]

I've posted the documentary before, American Promise follows 2 Black boys for over a decade as they attend elite Manhattan private school Dalton.



Short clips with academics are on YT and are insightful





I would also suggest checking out Class Divide on HBO that's based on Avenues, another elite Manhattan private school.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

@dora_da_destroyer you seem a bit personally triggered. Just sayin...

 

[Shogun]

Now which level of parents does it more? That and the rich schools have way more AP and IB courses than poorer schools.

That’s a fair point, and there’s definitely a wealth component, but generally the parents who cause trouble at least care about their kids doing well in school, so they do well in classes also. They just want to be doing better.

Not really related to this discussion, but the biggest factor in high school kids doing well that I’ve seen is their parents involvement.

 

[mastermind]

That’s a fair point, and there’s definitely a wealth component, but generally the parents who cause trouble at least care about their kids doing well in school, so they do well in classes also. They just want to be doing better.

Not really related to this discussion, but the biggest factor in high school kids doing well that I’ve seen is their parents involvement.

I don’t disagree with parents being involved, but the actions fukk over poorer families.