Producer Curtis King breaks down how Timbaland and AI platform SUNO are stealing original beats from unknown producers to train their AI model.

[Awesome Wells]

You're lying and people are eating it up.

Tim literally said he produced the song. He didn't.

That's the first point. Second, there's a whole YT channel called Timbaland the Master Collection, which features "Happy Juice" as one of his songs he's produced. There are other videos on there crediting him because he said he did it. He didn't produce it. Dude's been stealing forever. Get over it.

As far as Polow, quick example, since you seem to be a little slow. Ayo the Producer produced "John" for Wayne. Alone. Shopped the beat to Ross since he knew him from Miami. Ross was recording his project with Birdman called The H, and had the beat for "John". He gave it Wayne. He and Wayne did the song. Ayo had shopped the beat to other artists and producers too. The OG version of the song has his producer tag on it in the beginning. Polow got the beat and said he would manage Ayo to help him get more placements. When the album dropped, he's credited as producer and Ayo is credited as "co-producer" along with 4 other people. He did the beat before he even met any of them! He came out saying he was going to sue because no one else worked on that, but him. Polow even took Ayo's tag off the beat for the retail, but the OG still has it. Which is how he got caught.

So again, you're upset because you don’t like people telling you the truth. And your little articles aren't making you feel any better. These dudes have been stealing for years. Everyone seems to know that, but you. That's fine. But don’t get mad at the rest of us for knowing what's up. Take that emotional sh*t somewhere else. "You're a liar and people aren't agreeing with me. Stop saying people are stealing". FOH.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

As far as Polow, quick example, since you seem to be a little slow. Ayo the Producer produced "John" for Wayne. Alone. Shopped the beat to Ross since he knew him from Miami. Ross was recording his project with Birdman called The H, and had the beat for "John". He gave it Wayne. He and Wayne did the song. Ayo had shopped the beat to other artists and producers too. The OG version of the song has his producer tag on it in the beginning. Polow got the beat and said he would manage Ayo to help him get more placements. When the album dropped, he's credited as producer and Ayo is credited as "co-producer" along with 4 other people. He did the beat before he even met any of them! He came out saying he was going to sue because no one else worked on that, but him. Polow even took Ayo's tag off the beat for the retail, but the OG still has it. Which is how he got caught.

First 5-6s, "Ayoooo"


Youtube version of the song(music video) on wayne page has the ayo tag on it, but if you load up the song on spotify, the ayo tag is removed

 

[JustCKing]

Tim literally said he produced the song. He didn't.

That's the first point. Second, there's a whole YT channel called Timbaland the Master Collection, which features "Happy Juice" as one of his songs he's produced. There are other videos on there crediting him because he said he did it. He didn't produce it. Dude's been stealing forever. Get over it.

As far as Polow, quick example, since you seem to be a little slow. Ayo the Producer produced "John" for Wayne. Alone. Shopped the beat to Ross since he knew him from Miami. Ross was recording his project with Birdman called The H, and had the beat for "John". He gave it Wayne. He and Wayne did the song. Ayo had shopped the beat to other artists and producers too. The OG version of the song has his producer tag on it in the beginning. Polow got the beat and said he would manage Ayo to help him get more placements. When the album dropped, he's credited as producer and Ayo is credited as "co-producer" along with 4 other people. He did the beat before he even met any of them! He came out saying he was going to sue because no one else worked on that, but him. Polow even took Ayo's tag off the beat for the retail, but the OG still has it. Which is how he got caught.

So again, you're upset because you don’t like people telling you the truth. And your little articles aren't making you feel any better. These dudes have been stealing for years. Everyone seems to know that, but you. That's fine. But don’t get mad at the rest of us for knowing what's up. Take that emotional sh*t somewhere else. "You're a liar and people aren't agreeing with me. Stop saying people are stealing". FOH.

There is no record of Timbaland saying he produced the song. Looked it up on Genius and only Danja is credited. That Timbaland Master Collection is not accurate and was not created by Timbaland. It is fan made. Don't know how you equate that to stealing.

As for "John", clearly you have no idea what production is. Ayo is not listed as the sole producer for various reasons:

1) Ayo is credited as the co-producer because he didn't produce the song by himself. He did the beat, which is basically a remixed version of Ross's "I'm A Star". He says he did the beat in 2009. Ross's "I'm A Star" dropped in 2010. That song is produced by J.U.S.T.I.C.E League. As for "John", Rob Holladay, which is a co-producer for Polow Da Don is also credited on the track. A co-production credit is not a steal.

 

[Awesome Wells]

First 5-6s, "Ayoooo"


Youtube version of the song(music video) on wayne page has the ayo tag on it, but if you load up the song on spotify, the ayo tag is removed

Exactly.

These weirdos on here are something else. HAHA!!

 

[Awesome Wells]

There is no record of Timbaland saying he produced the song. Looked it up on Genius and only Danja is credited. That Timbaland Master Collection is not accurate and was not created by Timbaland. It is fan made. Don't know how you equate that to stealing.

As for "John", clearly you have no idea what production is. Ayo is not listed as the sole producer for various reasons:

1) Ayo is credited as the co-producer because he didn't produce the song by himself. He did the beat, which is basically a remixed version of Ross's "I'm A Star". He says he did the beat in 2009. Ross's "I'm A Star" dropped in 2010. That song is produced by J.U.S.T.I.C.E League. As for "John", Rob Holladay, which is a co-producer for Polow Da Don is also credited on the track. A co-production credit is not a steal.

Dude did the beat alone, shopped it to Polow who promised to manage him and get him placements, they took his tags off of it and gave him a co-production credit. He sued, and they settled with him. They got caught. End of story.

You're doing all that Googling, just to keep failing. They've been stealing for years, bro. I'm sorry. Dry your eyes and go outside.

 

[JustCKing]

Dude did the beat alone, shopped it to Polow who promised to manage him and get him placements, they took his tags off of it and gave him a co-production credit. He sued, and they settled with him. They got caught. End of story.

You're doing all that Googling, just to keep failing. They've been stealing for years, bro. I'm sorry. Dry your eyes and go outside.

"I was actually working with Roscoe Dash at Polow Da Don’s studio and I gave him the record, and the song that we…produced is the ‘John’ record [that Lil Wayne released],” he explained. “I did it for Roscoe first or whatever, and I played it for Roscoe and he had [a different] record…I thought this record was hot and then I left the situation. Polow made his plays and wasn’t Roscoe’s record no more, it was Lil Wayne’s record and his single, and we now nominated for a Grammy.”

Yung Berg Talks Grammy Nomination For Lil Wayne's "John"

Berg talks about the Grammy nod he received for co-producing Weezy and Rozay's smash single.

hiphopdx.com

^^^ receipts. To quote Ross, "somebody lied". Where are yours?

 

[Awesome Wells]

"I was actually working with Roscoe Dash at Polow Da Don’s studio and I gave him the record, and the song that we…produced is the ‘John’ record [that Lil Wayne released],” he explained. “I did it for Roscoe first or whatever, and I played it for Roscoe and he had [a different] record…I thought this record was hot and then I left the situation. Polow made his plays and wasn’t Roscoe’s record no more, it was Lil Wayne’s record and his single, and we now nominated for a Grammy.”

Yung Berg Talks Grammy Nomination For Lil Wayne's "John"

Berg talks about the Grammy nod he received for co-producing Weezy and Rozay's smash single.

hiphopdx.com

^^^ receipts. To quote Ross, "somebody lied". Where are yours?

The homie just posted the actual demo track for it, that I was talking about. Tag still on it.

5 people ain't producing a record together and letting one dude put his producer tag on it. There's no way you're that slow, fam.

So again, you can Google until your keyboard is on fire, it's not gonna change anything. You've been emotional all thread. This must be very hard for you to accept. I'm sure. But all these lawsuits and settlements didn't happen for sport. I'll say this one more time, they've been stealing for years. But it's okay, you can get back to your life now and cope however you see fit. Good luck, bro. Be strong.

 

[JustCKing]

The homie just posted the actual demo track for it, that I was talking about. Tag still on it.

5 people ain't producing a record together and letting one dude put his producer tag on it. There's no way you're that slow, fam.

So again, you can Google until your keyboard is on fire, it's not gonna change anything. You've been emotional all thread. This must be very hard for you to accept. I'm sure. But all these lawsuits and settlements didn't happen for sport. I'll say this one more time, they've been stealing for years. But it's okay, you can get back to your life now and cope however you see fit. Good luck, bro. Be strong.

Because obviously, the version with his tag on it wasn't the final version, which is why the tag was removed. You admitted, these beat passed through some hands before it got to Wayne. That much is confirmed by Berg. Genius even lists J.U.S.T.I.C.E League as producers on the song, which is understandable because it is basically Ross's "I'm Not A Star" beat with added elements. So yes, that's how 5+ people are credited and his producer tag got removed.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Because obviously, the version with his tag on it wasn't the final version, which is why the tag was removed. You admitted, these beat passed through some hands before it got to Wayne. That much is confirmed by Berg. Genius even lists J.U.S.T.I.C.E League as producers on the song, which is understandable because it is basically Ross's "I'm Not A Star" beat with added elements. So yes, that's how 5+ people are credited and his producer tag got removed.

Bro just posted the demo version, genius. Tag included.

JL is listed as producers because "John" contains an interpolation of the record they produced, along with stems Ayo sampled, which Ross provided. He's Ross's guy. Just like he said in court, noting he made the beat alone. He won his case. No one else worked on that beat, but him. You got mad when people said Dallas was stealing. You got mad when people said Tim was stealing. Now you're mad that people said Polow was stealing. Even though people are posting demo versions that Ayo produced alone.

Don’t send me no more of your Google searches, bro.

I can tell debating means a lot to you, but you really have to get outside and make some friends. People have been trying to school you this entire thread. But the whole common sense thing doesn’t seem to be present with you. So it doesn’t even make sense to bother replying to you. You're clearly lost.

 

[JustCKing]

And just to clarify what happens with production credits:

Total's Trippin' is credited to Missy Elliott, Darryl Pearson, and Mario Winans as producers. Timbaland is credited with "all instruments". Every element in the instrumental to that song is Timbaland according to the credits, but he DID NOT produce the song. "Bu, bu, he basically did the beat. They took his credit". No, they didn't take his credit. He wasn't there in the studio with Total. Those credited with production added/subtracted elements to his beat. Timbaland also worked on the remix to Janet Jackson's "I Get So Lonely" with Teddy Riley. Teddy is credited as the producer. Timbaland is credited with all instruments.

 

[JustCKing]

Bro just posted the demo version, genius. Tag included.

JL is listed as producers because "John" contains an interpolation of the record they produced, along with stems Ayo sampled, which Ross provided. He's Ross's guy. Just like he said in court, noting he made the beat alone. He won his case. No one else worked on that beat, but him. You got mad when people said Dallas was stealing. You got mad when people said Tim was stealing. Now you're mad that people said Polow was stealing. Even though people are posting demo versions that Ayo produced alone.

Don’t send me no more of your Google searches, bro.

I can tell debating means a lot to you, but you really have to get outside and make some friends. People have been trying to school you this entire thread. But the whole common sense thing doesn’t seem to be present with you. So it doesn’t even make sense to bother replying to you. You're clearly lost.

Again, if I'm posting receipts, where are yours? If there was a court case, why aren't you providing links?

Furthermore you backtracked off the claim that Timbaland took credit for "Henny & Apple Juice".

I am not upset. There is difference between debating and arguing. Debating is when people back up claims with facts and evidence. Arguing, which is what you are doing is when people make statements based on emotions with nothing to back it up.

 

[Awesome Wells]

And just to clarify what happens with production credits:

Total's Trippin' is credited to Missy Elliott, Darryl Pearson, and Mario Winans as producers. Timbaland is credited with "all instruments". Every element in the instrumental to that song is Timbaland according to the credits, but he DID NOT produce the song. "Bu, bu, he basically did the beat. They took his credit". No, they didn't take his credit. He wasn't there in the studio with Total. Those credited with production added/subtracted elements to his beat. Timbaland also worked on the remix to Janet Jackson's "I Get So Lonely" with Teddy Riley. Teddy is credited as the producer. Timbaland is credited with all instruments.

Dude, you haven't worked a day in your life in the music industry or made one dollar from music.

You're the only one in here who doesn't seem to know how the business works. You can't Google your way into intelligence, fam. Stop speaking on sh*t you weren't around for. You're the rare case where Google is NOT your friend. Give the search engine a break.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Again, if I'm posting receipts, where are yours? If there was a court case, why aren't you providing links?

Furthermore you backtracked off the claim that Timbaland took credit for "Henny & Apple Juice".

I am not upset. There is difference between debating and arguing. Debating is when people back up claims with facts and evidence. Arguing, which is what you are doing is when people make statements based on emotions with nothing to back it up.

You're posting whatever you can find to feel better about yourself. Even though history has clearly spoken to something completely different. Those ain't "receipts".

You've been spending too much of your adult life online and search engines. People have been trying to put you on for pages in this thread. Your way to respond, is by killing your keyboard with search engine articles. You have no actual knowledge on any of this. So everything you think you know, is what you selectively find online. That's sad. There's just some sh*t you can't Google your way out of.

So yeah, that's why people have been clowning you in here. And why you're mad that you've spent all that time trying to search for answers that people have already given you in here. Do better, bro. This ain't your speed.

 

[Deadman187]

And just to clarify what happens with production credits:

Total's Trippin' is credited to Missy Elliott, Darryl Pearson, and Mario Winans as producers. Timbaland is credited with "all instruments". Every element in the instrumental to that song is Timbaland according to the credits, but he DID NOT produce the song. "Bu, bu, he basically did the beat. They took his credit". No, they didn't take his credit. He wasn't there in the studio with Total. Those credited with production added/subtracted elements to his beat. Timbaland also worked on the remix to Janet Jackson's "I Get So Lonely" with Teddy Riley. Teddy is credited as the producer. Timbaland is credited with all instruments.

He's credited as a co-producer and co writer

 

[Awesome Wells]

He's credited as a co-producer and co writer