Producers: Would You Sell Your Publishing...

[Aje]

...to 100 of your best beats for $1,750 upfront; a chance to be placed on TV shows, films, video games, and ads; and, ultimately, backend writer's share royalties?

Things to consider: you don't have time or the contacts to actively shop your material right now; you'd love to have an opportunity to get known once you start getting placements; great way to build your producer résumé.

 

[producingfire]

There are a lot of variables that have to go into that. Depends on the ads. Videogames typically don't get much of a back end but the upfront is more.(Even This varies) Ads as you know have so many variables that one could get caught up in contractual jargon. This whole industry when it comes to music is all about investment so one would just have to invest the time and energy in the right places. 100 of the beats at the rate you provided is 175,000 a lot of people can work 5 years and not make that amount of money. Yet in this industry where people always spend money increasing the gear they use the programs they posses all in an effort to meet market demand you can run through that quickly a long with having to pay basic living expenses. It's a lot to take in, so one could not simply say yes or no. I know that you understand this from experience so I'm speaking on behalf of those that have not.
If that money is coming from one company you have to pay tax on the money this will once again disrupt the math. You also must consider the constant competition to getting these commercials, tv shows and video games is fierce, it's all business in the end if you can get the same quality of work from composer/producer A who is not a widely known name and some one like John Williams if the company is on budget constraints they will go with composer A. Yet if we remember investment--> this could lead to a lot more money and exposure down the future...yet you can have all the exposure in the world and still not be doing well on the business end.
I probably have went further in depth then you intended this conversation to go. Anyway
in short...

It Depends

 

[Real N Quotes]

100 beats for $1,750? Nah duke, I wouldn't do it. I got a serious connect in the industry and I'm still keeping my stash Not saying that somewhere down the line I wouldn't give up a few bangers for a grip to an A list producer but I'm not getting diddied for my heat. Keep your pub.

 

[producingfire]

This is for one payment of 1,750? Even if it was each I was still weighing the particulars. But 1,750 for a 100 beats?

In that case absolutely not. especially if you have other people relying on you.

 

[BrothaZay]

lol hell nah

 

[Buckeye Fever]

@ me lettin this beat go for under 10 racks

[ame=http://soundcloud.com/midwestbreh/the-evil-life]The Evil Life by midwestbreh on SoundCloud - Hear the world[/ame]

 

[observe]

But you guys aren't actual producers..everyone on this board is a hobbyist who makes shytty beats in their spare time and posts them ..you nikkas aren't making no noise..get a job

 

[Aje]

To clarify, it's upfront $1,750 (total) for approximately 100 beats. Then be entitled to backend writer's share royalties after placement.

That said, if you're not actively shopping your tracks, and your beats are just sitting there only for you and your friends to enjoy on SoundCloud, wouldn't 50% of your beat(s) (the writer's share) + $1,750 be more than $0 you're getting now? Just something to think about. I mean, you could own 100% of your pub but still be earning nothing.

However, I do understand the fear of "giving up your publishing." But, in some cases, I think it can be advantageous - especially, if it's not in perpetuity (forever).

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

To clarify, it's upfront $1,750 (total) for approximately 100 beats. Then be entitled to backend writer's share royalties after placement.

That said, if you're not actively shopping your tracks, and your beats are just sitting there only for you and your friends to enjoy on SoundCloud, wouldn't 50% of your beat(s) (the writer's share) + $1,750 be more than $0 you're getting now? Just something to think about. I mean, you could own 100% of your pub but still be earning nothing.

However, I do understand the fear of "giving up your publishing." But, in some cases, I think it can be advantageous - especially, if it's not in perpetuity (forever).

My deal offer was worth $50,000 with $35,000 upfront for 5 years with 4 commitments & the option after year 3... & *THAT* was rape...

 

[Aje]

For how much would you give up your pub, then? $5,000? 10,000? $25,000? Keep in mind, this is under the assumption you have NO prior placements and have zero contacts.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

For how much would you give up your pub, then? $5,000? 10,000? $25,000? Keep in mind, this is under the assumption you have NO prior placements and have zero contacts.

I had no priors... this is your publishing... your LIFEBLOOD... anything less then $25,000 (which is still rape) you may as well be working at McDonald's because you're gonna make TWICE the money you'll ever see again in your career...

 

[Aje]

I had no priors... this is your publishing... your LIFEBLOOD... anything less then $25,000 (which is still rape) you may as well be working at McDonald's because you're gonna make TWICE the money you'll ever see again in your career...

I understand where you're coming from; however, if there's no one else knocking at "your" (general) door, wouldn't something be better than nothing? In other words, if you're one of, say, 25,000 kids making beats in the United States, and you're tracks have been collecting dust (figuratively), and someone offered you the above deal, you'd decline? Now, naturally, you (nikkaz In Paris) would say no because you've been fortunate enough to have a significant offer. I'm just saying in general.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I understand where you're coming from; however, if there's no one else knocking at "your" (general) door, wouldn't something be better than nothing? In other words, if you're one of, say, 25,000 kids making beats in the United States, and you're tracks have been collecting dust (figuratively), and someone offered you the above deal, you'd decline? Now, naturally, you (nikkaz In Paris) would say no because you've been fortunate enough to have a significant offer. I'm just saying in general.

:userious:

$1,750 is NO MONEY lol... for 100 beats??????? A hundred?????? Most producers don't make 100 beats in their career & you're about to let go of 100 beats for basically 1 months salary working Full-Time at McDonald's...

 

[Aje]

:userious:

$1,750 is NO MONEY lol... for 100 beats??????? A hundred?????? Most producers don't make 100 beats in their career & you're about to let go of 100 beats for basically 1 months salary working Full-Time at McDonald's...

the producer would still be getting 100% of their backend writer's share royalties after placement. You can still work at McDonald's or whatever job you currently have and still get some scratch for beats you're not moving anyways.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

the producer would still be getting 100% of their backend writer's share royalties after placement. You can still work at McDonald's or whatever job you currently have and still get some scratch for beats you're not moving anyways.

There is no way in hell anyone is EVER going to pay you "backend writer's share" royalties when they've gotten 100 beats out of you for $1,750...

If they know you're stupid enough to sell basically an entire catalog of music for less then $2,000 then they know they can tell you whatever you want & sneak in some shoddy wording in whatever contract they offer you & never have to worry about paying you another cent...

You gotta be smarter then this fam...

There's a famous saying used in the Entertainment Business everyday & it goes "There's a sucker born every minute."