Professor Gerald Horne: Against Left-Wing White Nationalism

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But they aren't though. They putting money in their pockets just like white people do. You don't like class reductionists, fine. But don't pull the ladder when you get to the top, that's just lame.

Yes. Black elites are often the only ones holding the door open for any of us. Don’t tell me white elites aren’t helping their project then act like the handful of what we have isn’t helping us. It is. And you know it. I’ve benefited from even black organizations. They absolutely look out.

 

[the next guy]

Yes. Black elites are often the only ones holding the door open for any of us. Don’t tell me white elites aren’t helping their project then act like the handful of what we have isn’t helping us. It is. And you know it. I’ve benefited from even black organizations. They absolutely look out.

But it's not true though. White people do more to help each each, which is why you're against class reductionism, correct. Because we need more black faces u top. But black people are holding up their end of the bargain at all. The black faces don't help us. They help their donors and white friends.

Like I said, this is white noise to continue making excuses for black suburbanites who cut and run when they get theirs. That's wrong.

The Atlanta mafia needs to start putting their money where their mouth is, and stop writing articles about Jacobin types who they had a bad breakup with.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But it's not true though. White people do more to help each each, which is why you're against class reductionism, correct. Because we need more black faces u top. But black people are holding up their end of the bargain at all. The black faces don't help us. They help their donors and white friends.

Like I said, this is white noise to continue making excuses for black suburbanites who cut and run when they get theirs. That's wrong.

The Atlanta mafia needs to start putting their money where their mouth is, and stop writing articles about Jacobin types who they had a bad breakup with.

I don’t know what enough means.

black elites have barely been a thing for a generation.

I see things changing and I want more of it. What you’re advocating stops that.

 

[the next guy]

I don’t know what enough means.

black elites have barely been a thing for a generation.

I see things changing and I want more of it. What you’re advocating stops that.

I'm advocating for more involvement.

You're advocating for the status quo the reason why all of us regardless of race have been involved in this mess.

What exactly has Kamala changed by being VP for example? Hell you just made a (very vaild) complaint about her! And that's just one example.

 

[Ezra]

Fine, they're wrong.

But what's the black solution here? I want to know, honestly.

That's the question, isnt it? It's a hard one that I constantly flip back and forth on. It depends on how principled you want to be versus how practical.

On one hand, if youre left leaning, you agree with the tangible deliverables the class reductionists push for. Better healthcare, childcare, upward mobility. All those thinks help black communities so you need to work w these people. But there's going to be a point, because there always is - where those deliverables get pushed to white working class, over black people. At that point do you withold the vote? I think you have to on principle, but that only gives power up to conservatives and white supremacists to want to take away everything. It's why our politics is fukked. I dont blame anyone who withholds their vote, but at the same time, all it does is let the right push through more shyt. More judges that will block good leftist legislation, more new jim crow era voting laws, judicial system ruling ect.

 

[Corny Batman]

Every person I've ever met who was concerned with the issue of class was also concerned with racial justice. "Class reductionists" is a term Napoleon type neoliberals push to make sure class is never discussed. Not after racism is solved, not after sexism, not after homophobia. Never. They want it never talked about. Because they are "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." They believe they will one day "go get the bag." They think that if they work within the neoliberal status quo, they will be rewarded, working class servants of all races be damned. They want you to serve them brunch and they don't care you get paid $2.50 an hour plus tips. They don't care if you're black. They are neoliberals. They want their brunch, they want Iran bombed, they want to lease a Tesla.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Every person I've ever met who was concerned with the issue of class was also concerned with racial justice. "Class reductionists" is a term Napoleon type neoliberals push to make sure class is never discussed. Not after racism is solved, not after sexism, not after homophobia. Never. They want it never talked about. Because they are "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." They believe they will one day "go get the bag." They think that if they work within the neoliberal status quo, they will be rewarded, working class servants of all races be damned. They want you to serve them brunch and they don't care you get paid $2.50 an hour plus tips. They don't care if you're black. They are neoliberals. They want their brunch, they want Iran bombed, they want to lease a Tesla.

Yall must more of these hot-take words of the moment than anyone ...and you're saying nothing.

Sorry bruh, SOME of us have to set a foot forward in this world and bring something back. I can't keep waiting on utopia.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm advocating for more involvement.

You're advocating for the status quo the reason why all of us regardless of race have been involved in this mess.

You're not saying anything tangible.

I want MORE Robert Smiths.

We have literally... like 3 black billionaires who aren't in entertainment or corrupt african leaders.

THREE.

What exactly has Kamala changed by being VP for example? Hell you just made a (very vaild) complaint about her! And that's just one example.

She's the 2nd black female US Senator.

EVER.

Sorry, bruh, just like Obama. We have to see that this shyt is possible. I can't keep playing this game where you hold the entire black american community to white liberal utopia of revolution knowing damn well we're the first ones on the chopping block of all this shyt.

At what point do we push for advancement?

Yes. having more black people on TV matters. Same in ownership. Same in leadership.

i don't know what world you live in where having no black people advancing HELPED us.

 

[Corny Batman]

It's kind of amazing this forum continues to allow Reddit user "Negro Napoleon" to continue to push a stream of propaganda that has obviously been prepared for him by some kind of service.

 

[the next guy]

That's the question, isnt it? It's a hard one that I constantly flip back and forth on. It depends on how principled you want to be versus how practical.

On one hand, if youre left leaning, you agree with the tangible deliverables the class reductionists push for. Better healthcare, childcare, upward mobility. All those thinks help black communities so you need to work w these people. But there's going to be a point, because there always is - where those deliverables get pushed to white working class, over black people. At that point do you withold the vote? I think you have to on principle, but that only gives power up to conservatives and white supremacists to want to take away everything. It's why our politics is fukked. I dont blame anyone who withholds their vote, but at the same time, all it does is let the right push through more shyt. More judges that will block good leftist legislation, more new jim crow era voting laws, judicial system ruling ect.

I totally agree. We are screwed. Look at what Manchin is doing now. Yet we have to vote, because it could be worse I guess.

Sigh.

You're not saying anything tangible.

I want MORE Robert Smiths.

We have literally... like 3 black billionaires who aren't in entertainment or corrupt african leaders.

THREE.




She's the 2nd black female US Senator.

EVER.

Sorry, bruh, just like Obama. We have to see that this shyt is possible. I can't keep playing this game where you hold the entire black american community to white liberal utopia of revolution knowing damn well we're the first ones on the chopping block of all this shyt.

At what point do we push for advancement?

Yes. having more black people on TV matters. Same in ownership. Same in leadership.

i don't know what world you live in where having no black people advancing HELPED us.

Come on. Rob Smith is married to some becky and so Kamala.

Black families matter too, which is what the race first people somehow seem to forget way too often.

I'm talking more, but when we talk about that, we always say wait. It's good that we are having this conversation though. Because "race first" always gets unmasked as "I wanna do me and and say I'm black, but not actually live it anymore."

We pushed for advancement. But nothing changes on the ground too much. You're race first, then actually mean and stop using it as a hedge against white leftists who won't date you (not you per se, but in general)

 

[Red Shield]

That's the question, isnt it? It's a hard one that I constantly flip back and forth on. It depends on how principled you want to be versus how practical.

On one hand, if youre left leaning, you agree with the tangible deliverables the class reductionists push for. Better healthcare, childcare, upward mobility. All those thinks help black communities so you need to work w these people. But there's going to be a point, because there always is - where those deliverables get pushed to white working class, over black people. At that point do you withold the vote? I think you have to on principle, but that only gives power up to conservatives and white supremacists to want to take away everything. It's why our politics is fukked. I dont blame anyone who withholds their vote, but at the same time, all it does is let the right push through more shyt. More judges that will block good leftist legislation, more new jim crow era voting laws, judicial system ruling ect.

We've always been stuck in a shytty position in this country...

really just voting to make sure things don't get worse at best or slow down the rate that things go to shyt at worse..

but that of course can't "work" forever..and we're probably quickly nearing the time when it ain't gonna work much at all any more

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I totally agree. We are screwed. Look at what Manchin is doing now. Yet we have to vote, because it could be worse I guess.

Sigh.

Come on. Rob Smith is married to some becky and so Kamala.

Black families matter too, which is what the race first people somehow seem to forget way too often.

I'm talking more, but when we talk about that, we always say wait. It's good that we are having this conversation though. Because "race first" always gets unmasked as "I wanna do me and and say I'm black, but not actually live it anymore."

We pushed for advancement. But nothing changes on the ground too much. You're race first, then actually mean and stop using it as a hedge against white leftists who won't date you (not you per se, but in general)

Are you telling me you don't want more John W Rogers?!

 

[the next guy]

Are you telling me you don't want more John W Rogers?!

We need more than that. A lot more.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

We need more than that. A lot more.

Good. So don't come in here with this hat in hand bullshyt with hopes and dreams for some intersectionality Lucy-football that NEVER materializes.

If they wanna work together? Cool. We'll see them when they pull up. Until then. I'm tired of being lied to.

Remember, black people have ALWAYS voted for these utopian policies.

Who isn't?

NOT US

 

[Gains]

yes , you'll find racism/chauvinism in certain left wing circles