Punching in verses ruined rap

[7th Letter Specialist]

So looking at this video I get the punching in thing but would it not be better to write down some of their bars beforehand to at least get a idea of what they want to rap about?

See. There you go, tryna make too much sense

 

[Scottie Drippin]

It's not just punching in. It's the transition to the "freestyle" punch in mumbling style of recording. They're just in there vibing to a bear for whatever saying whatever until it sounds okay and then punching it in together.

The craft of writing good raps and songwriting have left the genre

 

[HoldThisL]

The craft of writing good raps and songwriting have left the genre

Nah I think there is a bunch of rappers that still write, it's mainly just the new gen doing it which is why there is a easier barrier to entry for rap.

Most of these dudes are getting carried by their engineers.

 

[Cᵣₐₛₕ&ₜₕₑCₒᵤₚ]

They're not real rappers, but that should be already apparent.​

 

[Collateral]

It's not just punching in. It's the transition to the "freestyle" punch in mumbling style of recording. They're just in there vibing to a bear for whatever saying whatever until it sounds okay and then punching it in together.

The craft of writing good raps and songwriting have left the genre

Spot on the money. I wasn’t even up on it until I saw YWN Melly doing it, just having fun fukking around.



Ended up with this masterpiece

 

[CHICAGO]

They were punching in since the golden era Bro.

Big Punisher is all punch in's and that was documented in the Fredro Starr 'The art of dialgoue' Interview.

Biggie punched in too, I saw Wayne punch in for some Carter documentary, There are very few Jadakiss's one take one shot type dudes.

You are right though. I feel if you dont have the skills to go at least 8-12 bars before you break then you should not be no type of Rapper at all.

NAH THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
THESE "RAPPERS"
DONT WRITE ANYMORE.

THEY PUNCH IN 2 RANDOM BARS
AT A TIME AND THE ENGINEER
PIECES THE VERSE TOGETHER

GIVE THESE BUMS
A PEN AND A PAD AND
TELL THEM TO WRITE A VERSE
AND THEYLL BE LOST BECAUSE
THEY ARENT ARTISTS


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[Zero]

Rae is one of my favorite rappers, I can't believe this lol.

Listen closely to his shyt and you can't unhear it.

Forever is egregious lol

 

[HollywoodP]

it certainly ruined Sada Babys skill.

 

[904]

The only time I'm thrown off by punch ins is Cormegas old music

Im sure I could probably find them if I'm actually listening for it but it's kinda whatever..

Rappers recording their entire verses in one take is not very common lol.. Never really has been

If you ever recorded before you'd know how difficult that shyt is to do every verse.. It's just not that serious..

And no one complained about the way Wayne recorded until he told everyone.. It's complaining about how the sauce is made.. Is it less skillful, sure but if you like the end result who gives af

Not even Jay is one taking every verse, that's asinine

 

[the cac mamba]

This is still music

Rapping a verse straight through isn't always the best for the music

facts. if we're talking about the album, give me the best final product. i don't need to hear dudes catching their breath. lupe used to be terrible with that

Big Punisher is all punch in's and that was documented in the Fredro Starr 'The art of dialgoue' Interview.

pun was punching in, and still wheezing like that? jesus

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

When you record it’s different from performing

During a live performance people generally here you once on the day they don’t go back and listen to that performance as if it was the master recording

So if you slightly stumble no one cares because your energy on stage is what counts


Studio time costs money getting by punching in you’re being more efficient and a talented engineer will make it seemless

 

[O.Red]

Yeah I hear that.

Beanie Sigel said in an interview. Jay saw him writing his verse in a studio and threw away his notebook and said he should do it in his head lol.

I call suspect on more of the intricate rhymes Jay and Big tend to do, that's hard to pull off coming without pen and paper to see your rhyme pattern, subject on point, and etc. Also not Jay but Biggie has been caught using pen and paper. RA the Rugged Man told DJ Vlad Biggie used a pen and pad when writing his verse for their record.

Biggie always went home to use a pen and paper in my opinion because he has never recorded a verse in any collaboration while the other artists were there. He always went home. The Lox, BTNH, Brooklyns Finest, etc, Biggie always went home first then came back to record by then you could memorize anything. I give Jay more credit for coming off the top when writing with no pen or paper. Biggie is far more suspect lol.

But hey they are both mega skilled at rapping however their formula lol, the new generation need to at least master the art of writing though.

There's too much mysticism around what Jay and Big did to the point where people think it's not possible. Anyone can learn to write a verse in their heads. People memorized long verses stories and speeches before books were mass produced.

Now take someone like Jay. Can reasonably be assumed to be an intelligent person. It's not far fetched to believe that a nikka that practiced crafting verses in his head all day everyday for years couldn't come up with what they came up with minus a pad and pen

Anyone can learn to do this, and in the mid 2000s many rappers did. But skill also matters and can't be correlated with memorization skill

 

[SunZoo]

Beanie Sigel said in an interview. Jay saw him writing his verse in a studio and threw away his notebook and said he should do it in his head lol.

I call suspect on more of the intricate rhymes Jay and Big tend to do, that's hard to pull off coming without pen and paper to see your rhyme pattern, subject on point, and etc.

Not really lol

There's too much mysticism around what Jay and Big did to the point where people think it's not possible. Anyone can learn to write a verse in their heads. People memorize verses stories and speeches before books were mass produced.

Now take someone like Jay. Can reasonably be assumed to be an intelligent person. It's not far fetched to believe that a nikka that practiced crafting verses in his head all day everyday for years couldn't come up with what they came up with minus a pad and pen

Anyone can learn to do this, and in the mid 2000s many rappers did. But skill also matters and can't be correlated with memorization skill \

I literally did this out of necessity because I fukking hate my handwriting, I have to really concentrate to the point of frustration to make my handwriting legible so I would always construct and map out my shyt in my head, that's not the magic in the equation.

Where someone like Jay starts to be on some other shyt is how much he can commit to memory without paper. I could do a verse or two at a time, this nikka can do a song or two like it's nothing.

But yeah, the writing and then reading it off paper? That shyt always felt so clunky. If you can actually expand how much shyt you can commit to memory in a large chunk it will probably be a better overall approach for most people.

 

[SunZoo]

I don't mind it with YN Jay because that snaggle puss style actually works well with the punch ins lol

If you gon do it make it make sense. Like someone said if you weaving a lot of rhymes in and out to where it's going to be noticeable then take some extra time to rehearse, double it, match your tone.

The real issue is most of these rappers doing it don't care enough to do it well. They more concerned with putting more songs out to get streams.

 

[DaRock]

There's too much mysticism around what Jay and Big did to the point where people think it's not possible. Anyone can learn to write a verse in their heads. People memorize verses stories and speeches before books were mass produced.

Now take someone like Jay. Can reasonably be assumed to be an intelligent person. It's not far fetched to believe that a nikka that practiced crafting verses in his head all day everyday for years couldn't come up with what they came up with minus a pad and pen

Anyone can learn to do this, and in the mid 2000s many rappers did. But skill also matters and can't be correlated with memorization skill

100%...I don't think people understand how if you trained your mind to do something it will respond...that's what Jay and Big were doing, just training their minds to remember words that they put together in their heads..

You even hit on how people do this in other areas outside of music, with speeches, Bible verses, etc..