Put Prime Kobe on those Heat Teams instead of Prime Lebron. they go 4 for 4 in the Finals

[Draje]

Kobe won 2 rings with Gasol. A player that is inferior to Wade and Bosh.

Just face the facts. Bron is a choker. And Kobe is not.

With inferior help Kobe won more titles.

18 PPG (58% FG) / 10 REB / 2.5 AST / 2 BLK / .8 STL

22 PPG (46% FG) / 5.2 REB / 4.3 AST / 1.7 STL / 1.3 BLK

14 PPG (49% FG) / 7.8 REB / .6 AST / .4 STL / 1 BLK

Who produced the best as a 2nd option on these playoff runs?

 

[Bilz]

This.

Kobe played his entire career with the lane essentially closed off with either Shaq or Gasol and Bynum.

The fact be shot 45% with no driving lanes is amazing.

If prime Kobe played with today's spacing, that 60 point finale would be a routine occurrence.

The paint clogging bigs are the reason he has championships. He had plenty of time to show what he could do without them and we saw how that turned out.

 

[Newzz]

I'm not Wade's my second fav player but to act like he wasn't constantly injured and going downhill after 2011 is a lie, Wade still had monster/great games here and there but there's no denying Bron's lack of help in 07, 14, 15.

Breh...you just said Gasol > Wade since the 2012 season

 

[Ben.]

Breh...you just said Gasol > Wade since the 2012 season

you denying that too... Kobe stan narrative yall

 

[GilSho]

5-2 vs 2-4

That's the only stat that matters.

Horry's 7/7

 

[The Fire]

Seum nikkas are sohh with the title talk
there's a million different factors when it comes to championships that aren't in the hands of one individual
lebron just knows how to ball

 

[FTBS]

Bosh's last 3 seasons in Toronto, he took 3448 shots...96 of those were 3's. That's 1 3pt attempt for every 36 shot attempts.

Bosh's first 3 seasons with LeBron, he took 2767 shots...134 of those were 3's. That's 1 3pt attempt every 21 shots.

He changed his game to fit in with LeBron's.




Thats because he got comfortable staying on the perimeter. He said it himself as you acknowledged. What I'm saying is if Kobe/Wade were surrounding him, I don't think he would've become accustomed to sitting on the perimeter in the 1st place. He would've stayed around the mid-range/low post area like in Toronto




His lack of offensive rebounding is the problem. You know all rebounds ain't defensive breh.

Toronto Bosh grabbed 8.5% of all available offensive rebounds with his peak being 9.9% in 2010 and lowest being 7.1% in 2005.


Bosh playing next to LeBron only grabbed 6.0% of all available offensive rebounds with his peak being only 7.0% in 2013 and his low being 5.1% in 2014.


Toronto Bosh WORST season as an offensive rebounder was still better than Miami Bosh BEST season...you cant tell me him playing on the perimeter and shooting 3's didn't affect his game breh.

So why is 1 of every 4 of his shots a 3 now that Bron is gone? Why has he gotten notably more comfortable there since the nikka left and it became "his team"? If you have Kobe and Wade you will still have 2 perimeter guys that slash and post up (we aren't even gonna talk about the issues they would have) and Bron was actually a better 3 pt shooter in MIA than Kobe was at his peak. nikka said he ain't wanna bang but it's someone else's fault. Gotta love the twisting that goes on when you introduce facts and logic to a LeBron topic . "Yeah he has shot way more 3s since he left and said out his own mouth he didn't wanna bang but...but...Bron did it!"

His OR% has actually been at it's all-time lowest the last two years WITHOUT BRON. His worst season with Bron is actually better than he's been since he left. His DR% dropped too with Bron too. You still haven't explained how offense impacts defensive aka the overwhelming majority of rebounds. No matter how you spin it there is no excuse for Bron outrebounding him while taking even more 3s along with his other perimeter responsibilities on both ends. There is no excuse for a team with a max, all-star, HOF PF that doesn't have to carry them offensively, experiencing the issues they did on the interior on the defensive end. And nothing about Kobe's game helps any of that. If there was anyone on their team that could address those issues they would have played more as Bron doesn't like playing PF and Bosh doesn't like playing C.

 

[Newzz]

you denying that too... Kobe stan narrative yall

 

[sfgiants]

i hate kobe but i don't see him getting outscored in the NBA finals by jason terry
i don't see it happening
i try to see it, but i dont see it.

 

[Newzz]

So why is 1 of every 4 of his shots a 3 now that Bron is gone? Why has he gotten notably more comfortable there since the nikka left and it became "his team"? If you have Kobe and Wade you will still have 2 perimeter guys that slash and post up (we aren't even gonna talk about the issues they would have) and Bron was actually a better 3 pt shooter in MIA than Kobe was at his peak. nikka said he ain't wanna bang but it's someone else's fault. Gotta love the twisting that goes on when you introduce facts and logic to a LeBron topic . "Yeah he has shot way more 3s since he left and said out his own mouth he didn't wanna bang but...but...Bron did it!"

His OR% has actually been at it's all-time lowest the last two years WITHOUT BRON. His worst season with Bron is actually better than he's been since he left. His DR% dropped too with Bron too. You still haven't explained how offense impacts defensive aka the overwhelming majority of rebounds. No matter how you spin it there is no excuse for Bron outrebounding him while taking even more 3s along with his other perimeter responsibilities on both ends. There is no excuse for a team with a max, all-star, HOF PF that doesn't have to carry them offensively, experiencing the issues they did on the interior on the defensive end. And nothing about Kobe's game helps any of that. If there was anyone on their team that could address those issues they would have played more as Bron doesn't like playing PF and Bosh doesn't like playing C.

 

[The Fire]

i hate kobe but i don't see him getting outscored in the NBA finals by jason terry
i don't see it happening
i try to see it, but i dont see it.

He would've taken 50 shots a game and got swept in the process
well he already got swept that year

 

[Ben.]

Breh...you just said Gasol > Wade since the 2012 season

btw you do know I'm talking about 08-10 Gasol right?

 

[High quality poster]

He would've taken 50 shots a game and got swept in the process
well he already got swept that year

We talking about Prime Kobe breh, not coming off a back to back finals run, approaching his mid 30s, with a bad knee Kobe. And for all its worth Kobe played better against Dallas than Lebron did. Imagine scoring 8 points in the NBA finals

Lebron was what, 26... We really gotta do this?

 

[Originalman]

So Kobe would guard David west when Bosh went down? So Kobe would have been the leading rebounder during the playoffs for that team? Kobe would have played PF at times in the small ball lineup?

 

[Gangstar8]

They actually probably win 2011 and lose the rest. Then again how will Kobe mix with that Heat team in general

Lose the rest?

Kobe has been killing the same spurs since afro days