MTV: If somebody wrote a hook for a rapper, is that more acceptable?
Aaron: Yeah, it’s more accepted because it’s the hook. The hook is eight bars — it’s really four bars looped up twice, so it’s a little more acceptable with that. It’s even more accepted when the hook comes with the beat. A lot of times a producer like Kanye West or Pharrell or Swizz Beatz, they’ll give you a beat with the hook in place. So if you don’t take the record, they’re going pitch that record to somebody else. That’s common knowledge. If you watch “Fade to Black” the [2004] Jay Z documentary, Kanye was playing all of those beats for Jay for The Black Albumwith the hooks. The “Encore” beat was playing and ’Ye was spitting the same hook that you now hear Jay spitting on the record. The “Lucifer” beat was playing and Kanye was spitting the same hook that Jay was spitting when you bought the album — he changed a line or two, but ’Ye wrote those hooks. It’s not because Jay needed a writer, it’s because when Kanye made the beat as a producer, he had a vision for what the hook should be and he pitched the beat with the hook and Jay just wrote around it. That happens all the time. When the producer pitches the hook with the beat, that’s not ghostwriting at all… When it comes to those verses and the whole song, that’s when we have an issue.