Quentin Miller - Know Yourself, Used To, 10 Bands & Rico (Drake Reference Tracks)

[Awesome Wells]

Nas because no one was going at Jay, and being so bold. Jay was the big man, and people wanted to see him fall for a minute, but Jay still sold music months after that, and had hip hop people like him. And Nas had mixtapes on lock, it wasn't just about the radio. If meek came with a good battle song, he could have done Drake bad.

As far as Drake, he won't last. Even though he is pop, this is still rap music, and shyt doesn't last when you get exposed. I know you remember boss. She was the shyt, got exposed, and boom she was gone. Drake is different, but its the same shyt. Plus, hes pop, and the definitely dont last. We are just arguing though, but remember my post, and watch all of it come true. I wish it was a way we can stamp this. Oh well, time will tell.

Meek just sold the most records of his life. That means a lot more than having hot mixtapes. That hasn't helped though. Because his music is subpar. It's the same situation as where Jay was back then. People want to see Drake fall. He's been successful since the jump. The point is, Meek doesn't have the music. You can gossip and tweet all day, but that's not what keeps you around. It's the music. We can enjoy all the shyt talking, but this is still about the music for them.

Rap music is one thing. Drake isn't Hip Hop though. So he's not going to be held to the same standard that we hold other dudes to. He doesn't belong to the culture just because he raps a lot. It doesn't work that way. He bounces from genre to genre. That's what's kept him in business. And you see how his following responds to shyt like this. They don't care about Hip Hop code. They just want to keep hearing from the guy.

 

[Hersh]

So.. Where can i hear these?

 

[Populair]

This shyt kinda creepy the more I think about it. This dude Quentin is literally rapping from the perspective as if he were Aubrey... Like, how do you ask another man to do something like that for you? Not even just from the integrity that you're suppose to eventually have as an artist (especially someone of Aubrey's stature in the game who constantly brags about his skill), but just someone that suppose to have an ounce of pride as a rapper first period.

This would be the exact equivalent of some of the songs on the Your Old Droog EP meaning to be reference tracks for Nas because Droog was doing the same shyt on that EP (writing from Nas perspective).

This is some real fukk boy shyt, and it can not be said enough .

 

[Awesome Wells]

Breh which songs did Kanye take wholesale from other rappers?

You can't compare Drake to Kanye. Drake has never made a beat in his life. He doesn't have any producer credits on his album. If someone else did all of Ye's beats - yes we would look at Kanye differently. If someone else made the beat to Heart of the City or the Be Intro we would look at him funny. And nobody considers him a GOAT for his rapping.

Drake gets put in that bracket of the best MC of his generation no doubt. People talk about he and Kendrick as contemporaries. He talks of his own writing ability. He talks about the 'competition' but he has a huge staff of writers.

nikkas is back tracking. Drake was never in that Kanye or Dr. Dre bracket. That's why he's on billboards with Rakim, Biggie and Nas.

I never viewed Drake as this pop product personally. Or a producer rapper. I thought he wrote his rap lyrics at the very least. Maybe some help on the pop hooks from time. But not all this.

You really don't know?

Check interviews with Consequence, Rhymefest, Lupe, Malik Yusef, etc. Dudes have been writing songs for Kanye his whole career. Classics albums that I love. This was never some secret. Which is the point being made. Beats are one thing. I'm talking about lyrics. Kanye's said he's the one of the best MC's in the past 20 years. Top 5. But a majority of his records are joints he didn't write. That's the point.

 

[Big Boss]

The reference tracks have been removed

 

[desp]

Meek could have played this situation so much better than this.

He honestly could have just posted the reference tracks and played off the talk on that... instead of dropping the song alongside the ref. tracks.
He should have went harder with the karaoke angle... the internet gave him shyt to work with but it's like he didn't even use any of it

Most importantly, the song just isn't anything you would want to play again. The best diss records are great songs at their core. Him jumbling up skits and clips of other stuff midway through kill the song. Man, I'm kind of salty that this happened with Meek and Drake instead of somebody else who's more witty with shyt.

It's pretty bad that you have a rapper who's been outed to being a fraud and not writing... and you still going to lose, because you just didn't think shyt through.



He didn't need an ETHER, but he def needed an Exodus 23:1 type of song to put his foot on Drake's neck here. Now this shyt's done

I agree with most of what you said, but I wouldn't count Meek out yet. Meek definitely should have played this better. It would be different if he dropped this track right after Charged Up, but when Drake dropped ANOTHER song and clowned him for not replying yet, he should have known he needs to come hard on this one. But like I said, I'm not counting Meek out. He just has to make sure this next track is HARD.

 

[Awesome Wells]

True, but Kanye proved his skills are nice. When its time to freestyle, he did it, and real freestyling. You say no one takes drake as a serious MC, but he is on the sprite shyt with real mcs, so what am I supposed to think? He is always implying he is part of the greats, and others are cosigning him.

Kanye had freestyles that were from unreleased records that Fest wrote for him. I just saw one in the Stones Throw doc. LOL!!

As far as the Sprite thing.

"I'm not understanding why cats are giving so much credence to Sprite ads like Grandmaster Caz, KRS-One, Bambaataa and Cold Crush signed off on it.

That shyt ain't Hip Hop. That's a corporate push like everything else out here."

I said that in another thread. Sprite isn't qualified to mold a Hip Hop Mount Rushmore. Him being on there shouldn't change anyone's views on who is great, and who isn't. People should be forming their own opinions. His being on there is a result of someone's opinion. That ain't Hip Hop law. I don't care who they put up there, it's not going to mean anything to me and how I view my personal GOAT's. That's a corporation selling soda. They'll put Elmo up there if they felt he'd help to sell the product. That's marketing, not culture validation. That doesn't mean they view him as a superior MC. That means they see him as a bankable one.

 

[bouncy]

I disagree. I think because Drake collaborates with other people, it will help him last long than most other artists. Similar to Kanye. Kanye is one of the few rap artists to remain on top for 10+ years. And this is because he scouts good talent, gets them to make him beats and help him write songs that sound fresh and modern. The rappers that fall off are the one trick ponies who don't have talented people helping them out.

Kanye lasted because he is different, not just because he collaborated with different people. Most artists did that because they had to, the labels made them do it to follow the new trends. People keep thinking its about the artist, but its not, its the labels. Kanye just did good from his first three albums, and was able to have freedom, he earned it. Without the label backing him, he would have flopped. I was part of that world, I saw for myself how powerful the labels are. It killed my love for a minute because I saw how a lot of the shyt was a lie. The magazines, the TV shows, they all work together to give this image of the music game. It was sad to see people really believe their talent was going to make them blow. I remember being at a promotions department, and seeing a certain group hoping to get their shyt done by the company. When the call was done, the workers was deciding if they were going to do shyt for the group based on if they liked the song, even though they were going to get paid.

Another group had all this promotional stuff made, and I guess someone didn't like them, and all of that shyt just sat to the side. That group didn't last two months. They had talent, and was making some noise in NYC. I seen them do the same thing to a rapper from Houston. I remember when Wendy Williams was saying how rappers and singers turn gay to get their shyt pushed majorly, and I thought she was talking for ratings, but I saw it was some truth to what she was saying. If these new kids read that gay rapper article, they would lose their minds!

We love music, and making it, but that changes once you hit a certain level. Only a few can play both sides without getting caught up. This is what nas was going through before he got into his shyt with jay. Be part of the music BUSINESS, which is a bunch of games, or just be an artist. He eventually learned to do both, but he is rare. Same for Jay.

 

[bouncy]

Kanye had freestyles that were from unreleased records that Fest wrote for him. I just saw one in the Stones Throw doc. LOL!!

As far as the Sprite thing.

"I'm not understanding why cats are giving so much credence to Sprite ads like Grandmaster Caz, KRS-One, Bambaataa and Cold Crush signed off on it.

That shyt ain't Hip Hop. That's a corporate push like everything else out here."

I said that in another thread. Sprite isn't qualified to mold a Hip Hop Mount Rushmore. Him being on there shouldn't change anyone's views on who is great, and who isn't. People should be forming their own opinions. His being on there is a result of someone's opinion. That ain't Hip Hop law. I don't care who they put up there, it's not going to mean anything to me and how I view my personal GOAT's. That's a corporation selling soda. They'll put Elmo up there if they felt he'd help to sell the product. That's marketing, not culture validation. That doesn't mean they view him as a superior MC. That means they see him as a bankable one.

We know this, but I'm talking about the so called rap fans, who will eventually believe the shyt like sprite, and now history is written as Drake being one of the best. It won't happen now though.

 

[Awesome Wells]

We know this, but I'm talking about the so called rap fans, who will eventually believe the shyt like sprite, and now history is written as Drake being one of the best. It won't happen now though.

But, my dude, we can't worry about how things shape the opinions of others. That's not what Hip Hop is. It's about staying true to self. Let people like or believe what they want. We can't police who people see as great and all that. That's not really our business. I've known dudes who have said Das EFX is the GOAT group in Hip Hop. It's not my place to tell them they're wrong. LOL!! All of this shyt is basically subjective, when it comes to who's the "best". Let people think whatever they want. That's their right.

I have Premier as the GOAT producer because I grew up in that Gang Starr era. Someone else might say Kanye because they're 22 and grew up on Ye's records. That's cool with me. I don't feel like it's my place to tell anyone their opinion is wrong. I'm pretty sure there are tons of people who think Drake is one of the greats. That's on them. I disagree, but I don't care enough about how they came to form that opinion. I just know it's not mine.

 

[mortuus est]

Kanye lasted because he is different, not just because he collaborated with different people. Most artists did that because they had to, the labels made them do it to follow the new trends. People keep thinking its about the artist, but its not, its the labels. Kanye just did good from his first three albums, and was able to have freedom, he earned it. Without the label backing him, he would have flopped. I was part of that world, I saw for myself how powerful the labels are. It killed my love for a minute because I saw how a lot of the shyt was a lie. The magazines, the TV shows, they all work together to give this image of the music game. It was sad to see people really believe their talent was going to make them blow. I remember being at a promotions department, and seeing a certain group hoping to get their shyt done by the company. When the call was done, the workers was deciding if they were going to do shyt for the group based on if they liked the song, even though they were going to get paid.

Another group had all this promotional stuff made, and I guess someone didn't like them, and all of that shyt just sat to the side. That group didn't last two months. They had talent, and was making some noise in NYC. I seen them do the same thing to a rapper from Houston. I remember when Wendy Williams was saying how rappers and singers turn gay to get their shyt pushed majorly, and I thought she was talking for ratings, but I saw it was some truth to what she was saying. If these new kids read that gay rapper article, they would lose their minds!

We love music, and making it, but that changes once you hit a certain level. Only a few can play both sides without getting caught up. This is what nas was going through before he got into his shyt with jay. Be part of the music BUSINESS, which is a bunch of games, or just be an artist. He eventually learned to do both, but he is rare. Same for Jay.

 

[bouncy]

But, my dude, we can't worry about how things shape the opinions of others. That's not what Hip Hop is. It's about staying true to self. Let people like or believe what they want. We can't police who people see as great and all that. That's not really our business. I've known dudes who have said Das EFX is the GOAT group in Hip Hop. It's not my place to tell them they're wrong. LOL!! All of this shyt is basically subjective, when it comes to who's the "best". Let people think whatever they want. That's their right.

I have Premier as the GOAT producer because I grew up in that Gang Starr era. Someone else might say Kanye because they're 22 and grew up on Ye's records. That's cool with me. I don't feel like it's my place to tell anyone their opinion is wrong. I'm pretty sure there are tons of people who think Drake is one of the greats. That's on them. I disagree, but I don't care enough about how they came to form that opinion. I just know it's not mine.

No doubt!
I like your style

 

[brother walt]

Meek just ether drake

 

[NvrCMyNut]

This song has been removed from audiomack due to a DMCA complaint.



Jew Unit going hard

 

[Awesome Wells]

No doubt!
I like your style

Respect, man.