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Why isn't St. Bernard Sanders ever criticized for his support of sanctions against Iraq that resulted in the deaths of 500,000+ Iraqi children and countless other horrors?

I was reading about this recently and just chalked it up as one of his many flaws.

I hadn't previously known he was responsible for genocide.


If anyone has any insight or is familiar lets talk about it.

Please stay on topic.
 

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He should be criticized for that, absolutely. It was wrong to vote for those sanctions.

Blood Traces: Bernie’s Iraq War Hypocrisy
by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR


Bernie Sanders has been tagging Hillary Clinton for her 2002 vote in support of George W. Bush’s war against Saddam Hussein. Here Sanders is closely following Obama’s 2008 playbook, where Obama used the Iraq war vote to repeatedly knock Clinton off balance.

But Sanders’s shots at Clinton haven’t inflicted much damage this time around, largely because there’s so little breathing space between the two candidates on foreign policy. Both Clinton and Sanders are seasoned interventionists, often advancing their hawkish policies under the ragged banner of “humanitarianism.” (See: Queen of Chaos by Diana Johnstone.)

Sanders supported Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia, voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama’s Libyan debacle and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War.

More problematic for the Senator in Birkenstocks is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.” These measures gave congressional backing for the CIA’s covert plan to overthrow the Hussein regime in Baghdad, as well as the tightening of an economic sanctions regime that may have killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi children. The resolution also gave the green light to Operation Desert Fox, a four-day long bombing campaign striking 100 targets throughout Iraq. The operation featured more than 300 bombing sorties and 350 ground-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles, several targeting Saddam Hussein himself.

Even Hillary belatedly admitted that her Iraq war vote was a mistake. Bernie, however, has never apologized for his two votes endorsing the overthrow of Saddam. On the rare occasions when Sanders has been confronted about these votes, he has casually dismissed them as being “almost unanimous.” I went back and checked the record. In fact, many members of the progressive caucus in the House, as well as a few libertarian anti-war Members of Congress, vote against the Iraq regime change measures. Here’s a list of the “no” votes on the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998:

Abercrombie
Bartlett
Brown (CA)
Carson
Chenoweth
Clay
Conyers
Davis (IL)
Doggett
Everett
Ewing
Ford
Furse
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Hostettler
Jackson (IL)
Jefferson
LaHood
Lee
Lewis (GA)
McKinney
Miller (CA)
Mink
Paul
Payne
Pombo
Rivers
Rush
Sabo
Serrano
Skaggs
Skelton
Stark
Towns
Vento
Walsh
Waters​

So what changed? Only the party in power. In 1998, Bill Clinton was president, pursuing his own effort to takedown Saddam’s government. In Clinton’s State of the Union address of that year he laid the political groundwork for Bush’s war:

“Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation’s wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq’s arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, “You cannot defy the will of the world”, and when I say to him, “You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.””​

Recall that over the 8 years of Clinton Time, Iraq was bombed an average of once every four days.

Even though Sanders markets himself as an “independent socialist,” in fact, he has rarely dissented against the Democratic Party orthodoxy, especially when it comes to military intervention. That should permanently settle the notion of whether Bernie is a realDemocrat. With the blood of 500,000 Iraqi children on his hands, surely Sanders has already won the “Humanitarian Warrior Seal of Approval,” which leaves us with only one haunting question: Was it worth it, Senator Sanders?
 

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Sanders doesn't get criticized.

A matter of time before this thread gets deleted. RIP, OP.

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So why do you support Hillary if her voting record on the matter is worse
I don't think there's a major difference worth noting.

American intervention is one thing that seems to operate across party lines and ideologies in this country. I suspect this is also why it doesn't get brought up much with regard to Sanders because most of his critics don't care about it much beyond pointing out hypocrisy.
 
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When did Clinton bring up Bernie's war record? How often, how forcefully? Plus, it's difficult for Clinton to rag on Bernie about war voting when she has either voted the same or has publicly support said effort or her husband is the one who asked for the war/policy.

Bernie focused on domestic issues. He ran on domestic issues. That was the difference between him and Clinton. The foreign policy aspect was just icing on the cake. Not the bulk of his candidacy.

The real question is why didn't the Clinton campaign do more to criticize Bernie's foreign policy record? They had a whole 2 years to do so and clearly failed at it. This is as much a campaign failure as it is a media one.
 

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When did Clinton bring up Bernie's war record? How often, how forcefully? Plus, it's difficult for Clinton to rag on Bernie about war voting when she has either voted the same or has publicly support said effort or her husband is the one who asked for the war/policy.

Bernie focused on domestic issues. He ran on domestic issues. That was the difference between him and Clinton. The foreign policy aspect was just icing on the cake. Not the bulk of his candidacy.

The real question is why didn't the Clinton campaign do more to criticize Bernie's foreign policy record? They had a whole 2 years to do so and clearly failed at it. This is as much a campaign failure as it is a media one.
Clinton went super easy on sanders. Their Opposition file was devastating.
 

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When did Clinton bring up Bernie's war record? How often, how forcefully? Plus, it's difficult for Clinton to rag on Bernie about war voting when she has either voted the same or has publicly support said effort or her husband is the one who asked for the war/policy.

Bernie focused on domestic issues. He ran on domestic issues. That was the difference between him and Clinton. The foreign policy aspect was just icing on the cake. Not the bulk of his candidacy.

The real question is why didn't the Clinton campaign do more to criticize Bernie's foreign policy record? They had a whole 2 years to do so and clearly failed at it. This is as much a campaign failure as it is a media one.
a clinton campaign failure...imagine that...
 
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I don't think there's a major difference worth noting.

American intervention is one thing that seems to operate across party lines and ideologies in this country. I suspect this is also why it doesn't get brought up much with regard to Sanders because most of his critics don't care about it much beyond pointing out hypocrisy.
Bernie votes against the iraq war, for good reason, and seemed to support the war in serbia because there was ethnic cleansing going on right? I was young as fukk so I don't know shyt about the serbian kosovo conflict. Bernie even said himself that it seems a contradiction, but due to the nature of what was going on (ethnic cleansing, according to him) we had to intervene. Look, Bernie isn't perfect, but you can tell he has a good heart. Nothing Bernie has done can justify what Hillary has done or said and vice versa. Hillary is on camera joking about murdering gaddaffi and laughing about it like a fukking sociopath.
 

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Bernie votes against the iraq war, for good reason, and seemed to support the war in serbia because there was ethnic cleansing going on right? I was young as fukk so I don't know shyt about the serbian kosovo conflict. Bernie even said himself that it seems a contradiction, but due to the nature of what was going on (ethnic cleansing, according to him) we had to intervene. Look, Bernie isn't perfect, but you can tell he has a good heart. Nothing Bernie has done can justify what Hillary has done or said and vice versa. Hillary is on camera joking about murdering gaddaffi and laughing about it like a fukking sociopath.

I don't think we knew the scale at the time when airstrikes were launched in Kosovo. The Bosnian War had ended a few years prior though and the Serbs also committed genocide there.

Gaddafi was an actual sociopath.
 
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