QUESTION: Does high FG Percentage Equate Skill in the NBA?

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It means you’re a more efficient scorer, not necessarily a better scorer overall (volume has to be taken into account).

FG% isn’t correlated to “skill” necessarily, obviously.

But if you watch Lebron and don’t think he’s skilled you probably don’t understand the game.

Lebron is more skilled at finishing in traffic, 3pt shooting, and passing than Jordan. Jordan is more skilled at midrange jumpers and ballhandling :yeshrug:

Jordan finished at the rim as go as Lebron. Not only could he dunk on anyone but he also used reverse layups, and all sorts of contortions using hang time and body control to finish in traffic.

Lebron is not a better finisher than Jordan. Especially young MJ.

Lebrons not a more skilled 3 point shooter than Jordan or even Kevin Love.

Lebron just started hitting 3s confidently and consistently this season
 

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The problem is most of sports media (guys who never played against MJ or Lebron) opt for the statistics like it’s the law cause it’s googleable:skip:

Their arguments are the most basic and surface level when the game is more complex. Ive never heard anyone mention about volume, variety or the ways both Lebron and MJ score or things like shot selection or level of difficulty.

Stats should be used to confirm or refute whatever someone is saying, not be the basis of the thing being said so I agree with you there. The whole point of stats and advanced stats was to provide hard data for whatever people were seeing or claimed to see. Idk about you but I've seen "difficulty of shots" used plenty of times in favor of Kobe or AI on here when it's really a negative if they're taking difficult shots and missing them.

That’s why I’ve seen many teams/players shut Lebron down or take away/expose aspects of his offensive game and he couldn’t adapt. Meanwhile I’ve never seen that happen with Jordan or Kobe Iverson, Tmac or even other players unless they’re just having an off shooting night :manny:

It's happened plenty of times to those guys? They play differently than Bron but it doesn't mean they've never been exposed. And for the most part they adapted, and that includes LeBron. For all of these guys, it's not about locking them down but slowing them down or at least making it harder for them to do what you normally do. If you haven't seen it then I don't know what to tell you. :yeshrug:

Detroit played MJ physically almost to the point of illegality. It worked for a couple years, then Jordan bulked up a little more, didn't take that shyt anymore, Pip and Grant took steps, and the Bulls were able to finally beat the Pistons.

Teams like Detroit and Houston funneled Kobe to bad spots. Kobe's flaw was that he'd more often than not keep shooting and shoot LA out of the game. Sometimes it didn't work, they just tried to play the odds. Shane Battier himself says he couldn't shut Kobe down but he could try to make him shoot bad shots.

Try to make AI go left or do more with his left hand, make him a jump shooter, put a longer defender on him if you can. Again since AI's a great player sometimes no matter what you do he's gonna cook, but those are the best ways to expose flaws in his offensive game.

T-Mac was different in the sense that he would fare better than AI or LeBron if you made him more of a jump shooter, but playing him physically could throw him off.

Make Bron a jump shooter if you can, worked a lot better earlier on in his career because he wasn't as good as he is now (unless it was just one of those games). Don't double him and all that. Hardly the only all-time great player to have these weaknesses. To say he couldn't adapt is untrue. The difference between 2008 or 2011 Bron and 2013 or 2018 Bron is like the difference between 1987 Jordan and 1993 or 1996 Jordan. The same things that used to work don't work that well anymore.
 

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if you use this as the deciding factor it becomes invalid once you learn deandre jordan is the all time leader in fg%.

At the end of the day you have to look at the results. Regular season wins, post season wins, and rings. That's all that matters, all the extra sh*t is for the birds. If you are averaging 50%+ FG% and you're team is still losing its because you're not getting there in the trenches to try to win. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take
 

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It doesn't. Stats are supposed to support your argument. Stat geeks make it THE argument without any room for in game observation.

You know you dealing with dummies when they argue someone is inefficient scoring 9/20 shots compared to a guy scoring 10/20 shots when the former shoots difficult jumpers all game and the other guy shoots easy layups all game. The first thing you do in any study is control for anything that distorts the results. Otherwise the comparison is bullshyt. Bron Stans know this and still argue it anyway. They're purposely disingenuous. Growing up nikkas NEVER used to count their shots and see if they were taking high percentage shots. Not in the NBA. Not in high school basketball. Not nikkas outside at the park. NEVER. nikkas just busted your ass and that was it. This is some new shyt fueled by pro-Lebron narratives.
nikka, I already tore apart this stupid ass "BACK IN MAH DAY" shyt in your last thread and here you are still peddling it :mjlol:

Players have ALWAYS kept track of their stats. Their shooting %'s , points, rebounds all of that shyt. It's a pretty important part of their negotiation process. Do you think "contract year" is a new thing or some shyt?

shyt, MJ's entire offensive philosophy was centered around high % shots. That's why dude was shooting 54% in his prime, absurd numbers for a perimeter player even back then.

Read the Jordan Rules...there's a whole segment dedicated to how conscious players are of their stats and how glued they are to the newspapers after games. Bulls players hated playing with Scottie Pippen in '91 cuz he was trying to get that bag from Krause, which meant he needed to keep his stats good, ergo dominating the ball and watching his FG%

Cut out that naive ass hero worshipping bullshyt to lionize your era. Grow up breh.
 

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But as for your thread, quit relying on sttrawmen. Anybdoy worth their salt knows to argue volume PLUS efficiency. AIn't nobody gonna argue that Rudy Gobert>Prime Shaq just because his FG% is higher.

But when LeBron and Kobe are taking the same amount of shots and one guy is demonstrably better, well...:manny:

You damn simpletons need to stop acting terrified of 7th grade Math. PEMDAS, nikka:camby:
 

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This argument is stupid now you are penalizing Bron because he can bully like few people can. Especially since he just killed a team with almost 3pt range fade away jumpers (well this was 1 out of the seven) and killed the same team with 3’s? Stop being salty.
 

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The problem is most of sports media (guys who never played against MJ or Lebron) opt for the statistics like it’s the law cause it’s googleable:skip:

Their arguments are the most basic and surface level when the game is more complex. Ive never heard anyone mention about volume, variety or the ways both Lebron and MJ score or things like shot selection or level of difficulty.

That’s why I’ve seen many teams/players shut Lebron down or take away/expose aspects of his offensive game and he couldn’t adapt. Meanwhile I’ve never seen that happen with Jordan or Kobe Iverson, Tmac or even other players unless they’re just having an off shooting night :manny:

:mjlol: They’ve all been slowed down on plenty of occasions

Hell they’ve even been shut down in series so has lebron



But Mj was truly unguardable from the moment he touched down:wow:
 

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It's all situational... Being able and WILLING to take and make shots at various spots on the floor affects the game in ways that are counterintuitive to simple fg% watching... Changes how teams have to guard you and your team as a whole... Also affects how your teammates are able to play off of and with you...Steph is probably the most extreme example of this... Someone posted a video of how devastating Jordan with the two or three pull up jumpers, shyt like that has impact disproportionate to the stats that track them... Especially in late game scenarios... KD had a game against Utah in their series where from the way he was taking shots you just knew the shyt was over four minutes into the game... This postseason LeBron has opened up and showed more confidence in his game in that regard to the point where if it's truly an evolution of his game and not just a hot streak, he's probably surpassing Kareem's all time scoring record (his sheer durability already gave him a great chance, but you'd have to think he'd lose something athletically at some point...Those added wrinkles would reduce the impact of that)
 

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Not at all. Bron travels more and commits more offensive fouls (that aren't called), and takes fewer heavily contested double and triple-teamed shots. Kobe's field goal percentage is what it is because he didn't give a fukk about efficiency over winning. Sometimes he would take that overboard, but he wouldn't avoid a last second of the quarter long three because that might hurt his FG%...
 
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