Question for you IT dudes

[acri1]

I'm more thinking programming/software development. More money in that anyway right?

Eh, as far as money I'd really say it depends.

On the software development/programming side, you may make more money starting out but it may also be harder to get your foot in the door and it's heavily dependent on your ability to learn a language and prove you can code. I'd also say you'd tend to hit that glass ceiling a little sooner than on the network/systems side.

On the systems/networking side, you'll probably have to start out resetting passwords and removing viruses, but there's a lot of room to grow and once you get enough experience you can easily branch out and specialize in a lot of different things (some people specialize in Cisco stuff, some do servers, some go the security route, some do consulting, some get into project management, etc.).



Either way, you could probably land an entry level job but realistically you're going to have to be willing to eat a pay cut to get in. I mean that's just the reality of switching industries and having to start out with an entry-level job. Exact salary would depend on the job and where you live but 50k would be more than I'd expect an entry-level IT job to pay (unless you live somewhere ridiculously expensive like NYC). Even if you went back and got a degree you still might not end up making more off the bat. I think my first IT job out of college only paid 35-40k (granted, it was the recession, but even it it wasn't I doubt I'd have made that much more starting out). Even with an MBA I'm not sure you'd really get a pay increase unless you get some experience in the meantime.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

OP talked SO much shyt on here to me and other posters over the years ...

But hey, I can't knock a man for trying to come to his senses and improve his lot

What is your pathogical lying ass talking about? I make more money than you. I'm debt-free. I'm a homeowner. I drive a luxury car. I'm doing fine. I'm just considering doing something different.

Go back to lying about your multiple "advanced degrees" that you got while posting here 70 times a day and don't worry about what I'm doing.

 

[theworldismine13]

its crossed my mind too but my shyt is too comfy right now, but i think the best bet for you, or me if i ever get booted, is do one of these code bootcamps, i think your science background will make you an easy fit and will have you getting mad interviews

i wouldnt recommend IT and going for certs, thats just techs and customer support, nothing wrong with it, but you cant exploit your science background in that area, with programming your science is a huge plus and it will be easier to match your salary

if you want to make the big bucks you may have to move to cali or nyc

ive posted a couple of thread about the code bootcamps

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

its crossed my mind too but my shyt is too comfy right now, but i think the best bet for you, or me if i ever get booted, is do one of these code bootcamps, i think your science background will make you an easy fit and will have you getting mad interviews

i wouldnt recommend IT and going for certs, thats just techs and customer support, nothing wrong with it, but you cant exploit your science background in that area, with programming your science is a huge plus and it will be easier to match your salary

if you want to make the big bucks you may have to move to cali or nyc

ive posted a couple of thread about the code bootcamps

I've been doing Udemy for the past couple of weeks. Just getting familiar html and css so far.

I know a dude who came here from Mexico on a visa and he makes $76k working on a contract for BofA. He has a computer science degree. He's moving to Norcal soon and says he gets job offers out the ass. He tells me I should be able to get a programming job if I just learn the languages and can pass the test. I don't know. He says bigger companies usually require degrees though.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What is your pathogical lying ass talking about? I make more money than you. I'm debt-free. I'm a homeowner. I drive a luxury car. I'm doing fine. I'm just considering doing something different.

Go back to lying about your multiple "advanced degrees" that you got whole posting here 70 times a day and don't worry about what I'm doing.

You don't make more money than me. FACTS. I know it makes you mad someone figured shyt out

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Eh, as far as money I'd really say it depends.

On the software development/programming side, you may make more money starting out but it may also be harder to get your foot in the door and it's heavily dependent on your ability to learn a language and prove you can code. I'd also say you'd tend to hit that glass ceiling a little sooner than on the network/systems side.

On the systems/networking side, you'll probably have to start out resetting passwords and removing viruses, but there's a lot of room to grow and once you get enough experience you can easily branch out and specialize in a lot of different things (some people specialize in Cisco stuff, some do servers, some go the security route, some do consulting, some get into project management, etc.).



Either way, you could probably land an entry level job but realistically you're going to have to be willing to eat a pay cut to get in. I mean that's just the reality of switching industries and having to start out with an entry-level job. Exact salary would depend on the job and where you live but 50k would be more than I'd expect an entry-level IT job to pay (unless you live somewhere ridiculously expensive like NYC). Even if you went back and got a degree you still might not end up making more off the bat. I think my first IT job out of college only paid 35-40k (granted, it was the recession, but even it it wasn't I doubt I'd have made that much more starting out). Even with an MBA I'm not sure you'd really get a pay increase unless you get some experience in the meantime.

Thanks. I'm definitely more interested in the programming side. I've been doing these Udemy courses on web development and I find it interesting. Not really too interested in resetting passwords and fixing viruses.

 

[Serious]

You don't make more money than me. FACTS. I know it makes you mad someone figured shyt out

 

[Mowgli]

How realistic are the prospects of getting a decent job in the field without a degree? I know there's codeacademy and udemy and those sort of sites that teach you how to code. But if you learn how to code, what's the likelihood of getting a job and what pay scale are you likely to start? I got a friend who's a computer programmer and he was like you can just learn how to code, pass the test for an employer and get in, but you're likely to start at $50,000 or so and with a startup, not a big company, then you can gain experience and skills and work your way up. Feedback is appreciated.

I know there's a big ass IT careers threads btw, but it's like 100 something pages long and I just don't have the time to search through it.

Guess cleaning rat cages in a lab turned out to be a dead end career huh.

Its very easy to get job placement without a degree, if you know what youre doing. But at your old age, a career change may not be the best move unless you have a serious mastery of whatever field of IT your going in

*o sir so it says here you cleaned rat cages and injected rodents with experimental drugs for 15 years. Why the career change*


You gonna be stuck on stupid when you have to hold in the truth that youre switching to IT because you realized them cacs dont love you.

Better get your cert game up and throw your bytch ass self head first into the material because without the experience in the field at your age, you're going to need to talk a big game to convince an employer to pay you. But theres always bossing up and working for yourself and there are plenty of suckers in every city who dont know how to reboot a pc.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

ive posted a couple of thread about the code bootcamps

I HEARD THESE EXIST TO FLOOD THE MARKET WITH CODE MONKEYS AND DRIVE ENTRY LEVEL WAGES DOWN, BROTHER!

 

[无名的]

You don't need a degree. You can get a junior developer job if you can code. I've done the online code tutorials and I highly doubt you'll get a job from doing Codecadmey or Udemy. Your best bet is probably getting a junior developer role in a startup after attending a code bootcamp. My wife is director of an IT staffing firm and has came across resumes from people who attended code bootcamps and a lot of larger companies found their skill sets still too junior to get jobs. I have known people who got jobs at startups after code bootcamps.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Guess cleaning rat cages in a lab turned out to be a dead end career huh.

Its very easy to get job placement without a degree, if you know what youre doing. But at your old age, a career change may not be the best move unless you have a serious mastery of whatever field of IT your going in

*o sir so it says here you cleaned rat cages and injected rodents with experimental drugs for 15 years. Why the career change*


You gonna be stuck on stupid.

Better get your cert game up and throw your bytch ass self head first into the material because without the experience in the field at your age, you're going to need to talk a big game to convince an employer to pay you. But theres always bossing up and working for yourself and there are plenty of suckers in every city who dont know how to reboot a pc.

I like my work actually. There's just been a lot of changes and bullshyt at my job recently. I got turned down for a promotion and it has me feeling a way. I think my reputation is tarnished because I'm not a go along to get along type dude when it comes to working with a$$holes. I keep watching white faces get promoted. Right now all the chemists at my job are black except one Egyptian dude and all the management is white. Out of 4 chemists there's me with a bio degree, a black female with a chem degree and a masters in statistics and a Haitian guy with a chem degree and an MBA. Everybody in management is white and only has a bachelors.

I'm in a position where I have the time and means to make a career switch. I'm not in a position to move to a new location now though. There's more professional options and potential for higher pay if I switch to IT. I just don't know if I want to put money for more schooling, be it a compsci degree or coding bootcamp and/or take less money than I make now to start in the field.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Coding bootcamp in my city. 8 weeks.

Tech Talent South | Learn to code and do something big!

@Brady Hoke's Artery @semtex @Data-Hawk @theworldismine13 @acri1 @Robbie3000 @patscorpio what yall think? Bullshyt or worthwhile?

They say it's intense. I wonder if it's possible to do while I'm working full time.

 

[Data-Hawk]

Well the IT thread is geared more towards networking etc.

But I wouldn't waste my time on any certs. I've never seen a job post asking for any. The biggest thing you have going for you is the science background.

Depending on the type of developer you decide to become , you may not fall under the IT department. Tech focused companies or science focused companies don't label their developers as IT(from what I've seen ).The reason I bring this up is your best shot may be with a company that relates to your science degree.


The bootcamps are probably ok if you are doing web development. But if you decide to become a software developer or low level developer . Your best bet is to take a couple of college courses that deal with data structures/algorithms & plenty of math. If you look at any algorithm book, it's all Math.

Hence me going back to school next year to be a better developer.

 

[无名的]

Coding bootcamp in my city. 8 weeks.

Tech Talent South | Learn to code and do something big!

@Brady Hoke's Artery @semtex @Data-Hawk @theworldismine13 @acri1 @Robbie3000 @patscorpio what yall think? Bullshyt or worthwhile?

They say it's intense. I wonder if it's possible to do while I'm working full time.

I've never heard of it, but these things pop up and scale so quick, it could be legit/good.

The go to for bootcamps is Hack Reactor. They have a remote, all online program you could do. It does require some knowledge of JavaScript though, which is nice because a lot of these bootcamps accept anyone and just want your cash.

All the bootcamps will be intensive for months and are usually during work hours, so if you want to hit the ground running and transition into a developing role quickly, I doubt you can work.

 

[theworldismine13]

I've been doing Udemy for the past couple of weeks. Just getting familiar html and css so far.

I know a dude who came here from Mexico on a visa and he makes $76k working on a contract for BofA. He has a computer science degree. He's moving to Norcal soon and says he gets job offers out the ass. He tells me I should be able to get a programming job if I just learn the languages and can pass the test. I don't know. He says bigger companies usually require degrees though.

udemy has some iphone and android dev classes, but thats about it, html and css is very low hanging fruit

you want to get into c and c++, java and python etc

for free online courses Coursera - Free Online Courses From Top Universities is where its popping, they got stuff where you get certificates (academic certificates not "certs") from actual schools and professors, also ASU seems to be popping for real online degrees

you dont need a degree, but it would be good, IMO for people like us that already have a BS our best bet is to come at it with the scientific programmer angle, i think with a coding bootcamp you basically become a science literate programmer, that will put you above all the people that come of the street.....thats my plan B if anything pops off at my job