like yall were nice in hoops lol i remember when Wes Witherspoon dropped 25 on yall and crushed the buildings in tupelo and he goin undrafted
QUESTION : IS ANTHONY DAVIS AS GOOD AS BLAKE GRIFFIN?
- Thread starter Art Barr
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like yall were nice in hoops lol i remember when Wes Witherspoon dropped 25 on yall and crushed the buildings in tupelo and he goin undrafted
O.iatlhawksfan
Devoted Joel Embiid hater
i remember when Wes Witherspoon dropped 25 on yall and crushed the buildings in tupelo and he goin undrafted
Yea but we can beat y'all in football
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
personally his draft comparisons are between:
garnett
camby
which i find to be to far across the spectrum.
plus it is a cal team based player.
so, i will lean more to camby.
plus the former umass pr team to over process this kid.
as i feel he is just a lowly defensive specialist with a j like camby.
yet, other than put backs is not an offensive low post threat.
camby is a perimeter stand around guy.
although i think this kid has better footwork and pick and role instincts from being a guard.
yet his handles are lacking and he does not seem to be able to dribble drive left.
plus he looks to only have wing based handles and not advanced handles.
similiar to evan turner, who really is just a functional ballhandler.
so i don't see him putting the ball on the floor.
as a dribble drive perimeter threat.
or being trusted under duress as a dribbler.
yet he has good vision.
plus, his high school pedigree included a three pointer, as well.
imo,...i don't see him as an impact player like griffin at the pf.
nor is he tall enough to really play center.
plus he was able to dominant in college.
where height mixed with pedigree in his class was legit lacking.
i hope he pans out,...but to he number one overall.
i feel is just pr,....
as i feel legit he is a great weakside help energy block shot artist.
with good pick and role skills.
art barr
garnett
camby
which i find to be to far across the spectrum.
plus it is a cal team based player.
so, i will lean more to camby.
plus the former umass pr team to over process this kid.
as i feel he is just a lowly defensive specialist with a j like camby.
yet, other than put backs is not an offensive low post threat.
camby is a perimeter stand around guy.
although i think this kid has better footwork and pick and role instincts from being a guard.
yet his handles are lacking and he does not seem to be able to dribble drive left.
plus he looks to only have wing based handles and not advanced handles.
similiar to evan turner, who really is just a functional ballhandler.
so i don't see him putting the ball on the floor.
as a dribble drive perimeter threat.
or being trusted under duress as a dribbler.
yet he has good vision.
plus, his high school pedigree included a three pointer, as well.
imo,...i don't see him as an impact player like griffin at the pf.
nor is he tall enough to really play center.
plus he was able to dominant in college.
where height mixed with pedigree in his class was legit lacking.
i hope he pans out,...but to he number one overall.
i feel is just pr,....
as i feel legit he is a great weakside help energy block shot artist.
with good pick and role skills.
art barr
Yea but we can beat y'all in football
and we'll son yall in hoops
the world balances out
Heelmatic
The Carolina Blueprint
You can't compare Davis' offensive numbers in college to Griffins. Griffin was THE guy at Oklahoma. Davis played on a team that's about to have 6 players drafted, it was way more balanced. I tried to hate on this guy in college but he kept proving me wrong. I went to a game with my boy at UK against Vandy last year and Davis was unstoppable. I don't understand why everyone is saying he will be a bust, he has all the tools to be a NBA superstar.
He has played PF for what 2 years now and he still won every damn award in college last year. Yeah I'm a believer.
He has played PF for what 2 years now and he still won every damn award in college last year. Yeah I'm a believer.
This ugly kid Davis is so overrated, people act like he's some superstar prospect who could potentially be an all time great when he's just a good defensive role player
it's silly that these clowns would say they'd take him over Blake Griffin coming out of college when Blake was dropping 23 and 14 while in school
c/s
Depends on what you value. Griffin is athletic and has a semblance of a low post game, but he's not good in the pick and roll yet (with Chris Paul as his PG of all people), can't pass out of double teams and subsequently makes too many careless mistakes. There were times this year where the Clippers had to play halfcourt, run a play basketball and he was just a non factor because he doesn't understand spacing and where to be at any given time. His stats might make it seem like he's as dominant as another player with the same numbers, but honestly he's getting there offensively.
Defensively he just doesn't get it yet. He's a good man defender but within the context of a team defense he consistently doesn't pay enough attention to his weak side, and isn't a skilled enough shot blocker to recover..and he hasn't learned how to alter shots with positioning and not fouling, so he's a borderline liability.
The key to the Clippers being great is a big man who allows the wings and Paul the confidence to gamble a bit and start the break (because they know the traffic funnels to him), that's why Tim Duncan and Garnett are still so valuable at their ages, they're true anchors and catalysts for the fast break.
And before you say I'm hating I'm picking his game apart because at one point in time he was regarded as a future franchise player and maybe still is...well those players are supposed to have as few flaws as possible. There were nights that if Chris Paul was having a bad game they just didn't put up a fight...that can't happen.
Davis is offensively limited but he'll step in the door as good on the boards and ten times better defensively. He has no flaws defensively except his size potentially being an issue in the low post...but who can stop a motivated Bynum or Howard by themselves anyway, that's what you have teammates for, one on one play just doesn't happen as much as people assume it does.
He has a little mid range J and should be able to take a couple 4s of the dribble to get to 15 or so points a game until he rounds out and develops. I don't ever expect him to become a top notch scorer but his value on defense is so vast already it doesn't matter.
There are a couple teams who could probably be better with Davis than Griffin just next year, and long term I expect Davis to do better. When I look at Davis I see a poor man's KG, Griffin moreso Amare.
Defensively he just doesn't get it yet. He's a good man defender but within the context of a team defense he consistently doesn't pay enough attention to his weak side, and isn't a skilled enough shot blocker to recover..and he hasn't learned how to alter shots with positioning and not fouling, so he's a borderline liability.
The key to the Clippers being great is a big man who allows the wings and Paul the confidence to gamble a bit and start the break (because they know the traffic funnels to him), that's why Tim Duncan and Garnett are still so valuable at their ages, they're true anchors and catalysts for the fast break.
And before you say I'm hating I'm picking his game apart because at one point in time he was regarded as a future franchise player and maybe still is...well those players are supposed to have as few flaws as possible. There were nights that if Chris Paul was having a bad game they just didn't put up a fight...that can't happen.
Davis is offensively limited but he'll step in the door as good on the boards and ten times better defensively. He has no flaws defensively except his size potentially being an issue in the low post...but who can stop a motivated Bynum or Howard by themselves anyway, that's what you have teammates for, one on one play just doesn't happen as much as people assume it does.
He has a little mid range J and should be able to take a couple 4s of the dribble to get to 15 or so points a game until he rounds out and develops. I don't ever expect him to become a top notch scorer but his value on defense is so vast already it doesn't matter.
There are a couple teams who could probably be better with Davis than Griffin just next year, and long term I expect Davis to do better. When I look at Davis I see a poor man's KG, Griffin moreso Amare.
This ugly kid Davis is so overrated, people act like he's some superstar prospect who could potentially be an all time great when he's just a good defensive role player
it's silly that these clowns would say they'd take him over Blake Griffin coming out of college when Blake was dropping 23 and 14 while in school
If he's Dennis Rodman sure, but I don't think he's going to be good as Okafor.
Idon'tWannaillIjustchill
Reppin' Beautiful Buds
blake was a soph when he entered the draft. davis is a freshman
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
i think davis is in line with okafor with a higher defensive motor.
with an america domestic fearlessness.
that okafor lacks as a functional euro/domestic transplant.
who took to the game later.
davis will consistently have more wow plays than a steady okafor.
i also see davis if he does not pan out.
to be how the celt's back up center, was in the off's.
or david harrison formerly of the pacers was.
it will be great if he turns into a low iq duncan,...yet i do no see that at all.
i see him being about what demarcus cousins is with a higher motor defensively and more fluidity offensively on the perimeter.
art barr
Mandizi
5-I-3 till I D-I-E
Defensively, yes way better.
Offensive, not even close.
I'd still choose Griffin over Davis if they both came out the same year.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
doesn't matter as blake was as dominant in hs to freshie year in college.
on a less stacked team and i don't see davis in oklahoma.
as dominant as blake was.
i feel davis just got off because of a stacked team environment.
plus pr from cal's days in umass. which swelled and overprocessed him more than what reality is.
he is not dominant like blake.
nor is he duncan,...when it comes to bball iq.
he is a defensive energy guy,.....just like the last good cal big camby was.
camby is nuffin more than a stand around spot up shooter.
davis just is more active, and a heavy putback guy against smaller college players.
his initiative to assert himself and his height is his best quality.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
DoubleJ13
Smooth sailing from here on out...
I would choose Griffin over him now, but AD has only been 6'10 for what 2 years? He really hasn't learned how to be a big man yet outside of blocking shots.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
firat no team ramped up like the clippers.
plus griffin is a franchise plzyer, as well.
the clippers ramped up with vinnie d black and cp3.
yet would not hAve done any of it without the franchise in griffin.
i don't see davis As the franchise player.
who does what griffin does.
so i don't See the hornets with lower bball iq alonzo light.
getting as far as the clippers did to ramp up this year.
imo,...i think anthony davis is more camby, with energy and initiative barring injury.
he could also take a while to get going like brandon wright, as well.
i do not see him being able to be an immediate difference maker like:
howard
griffin
amare
nor do i see his perimeter game getting to amare's ability after injury either.
art barr