Question on the Knicks-Raptors trade...

[intruder]

Not saying it was good or bad yet but 2 questions to those who think the Knicks got beat in the head on this...

1. Considering all the health issues Bargnani has had... if the Knicks would have kept Novak & Camby, while keeping in mind Woodson's rotations, would Novak and Camby contribute more? (While answering that, what were Novak and Camby's production levels this year... especially when it counted.)

2. If Bargnani was the issue and not the pieces the Knicks gave away... what conceivable trade can you think of with the same pieces(Novak, Camby & 3 picks)? What could the Knicks have gotten better than Bargnani, basically?

In a trade...somebody wins and somebody loses... After answering those questions... who loses?

Yes but both parties have to get something they want out of it. No GM is going to flat out surrender in a trade. For example noone will give you their perrenial (sp) allstar who wants out for your 12th man unless they have a specific purpose for said 12th man (specialist, expiring contract, etc)

 

[beenz]

Early bird rights we can resign him just can't match contracts . His player option was like 2.9 mil so yeah he wasn't taking that

Nah knickx have his early bird rights and can give him around 5.5 to 5.8. Today Woods on and the FO are suppose to meet with JR to talk about him returning.

well thats basically MLE money. are the knicks gonna go further into the tax to bring back JR?

 

[phillycavsfan]

Until 2015... then they have a clean slate.

This trade doesn't affect the Knicks financially, except for James Dolan's pockets. This doesn't negatively affect the Knicks cap in anyway. They were already in cap hell. This just gives them more flexibility when the rebuild begins, when they can start over with Melo (and probably Shump) and a bunch of money. Clearly you're not aware of the cap situation and game plan for this team. This team has two more years to win, and after that, they have a clean slate.

So you say Bargs isn't worth all of that. But let's compare stats.

Camby rarely played... so we don't even have to consider him. Any bench player can replace his stats, especially since they were pedestrian at best. Hardaway Jr. can replace him easily, and at a position we were thin at.


Novak's Stats:
6.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 bpg, 0.3 apg, 0.2 spg, 41.4 FG%

Bargnani's Stats:
12.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.6 bpg, 0.6 apg, 0.3 spg, 40.0 FG%

So essentially, we got a player who almost doubles Novak's production in every stat, except steals, and only shoots almost the same percentage.

Neither can play D, so that doesn't matter. Defenders still have to guard Bargnani at the 3, so that's not a big deal. And to top it off, Bargnani's contract is shorter than Novak's.

The best part of this, is now we have a PF who can play with Melo, that won't want to operate on the same part of the court and isn't offensively inept. Barg's could sit on the 3pt line with Melo in the post and still be a threat.

Barg's is far from a star player. But he's a sufficient role player. If we can get another big that plays good D and average offense. The front line should be okay. Of course, then we still have the PG issue.

The players traded away isn't the problem with the deal. It's Bargs and that 1st rounder. Under this new CBA rookies who outperform their initial contract are NBA gold. You might say that that pick's going to be in the 20's, but you mean to tell me the Knicks couldn't use a guy like Kenneth Faried, Greivis Vasquez, or Norris Cole? They're not stars, but they're good players who could help the Knicks.

Bargs is a high-profile player who's only going to exacerbate all of the Knicks' problems. He's soft, he's an inefficient scorer, he doesn't rebound, he can't defend, and he's injury prone. And you gave up 3 picks for him.

 

[Miggs]

Denver owns the right to swap the 2016 pick with the knicks...so basically if the knicks suck, Denver will swap picks with the knicks, and TO will get Denver's pick. If Denver is worse, then they wont swap, and TO will get our pick. Bottom line is the odds on Toronto receiving a pick of significance is slim, because both Den and NY would have to suck.

Also, I think the no account, leaderless, losing environment in Toronto was a contributing factor in Bargs sluggish play. Hes now going to play in a winning environment, an accountable locker room, a take no sht coach, and a great scorer who will keep the defense's attention trained on him, giving Bargs better looks and mobility. Bargs will be an improved player.

Cant wait for this upcoming season
Ill agree there was lil accountability here but its foolish to think hes going to improve 8 years into a career..If anything i think the spotlight and pressure and expectation in NY will end his career,take him from a starter to a 7th-8th man...similar to what he became he after his injury this past season...

 

[JerseyFinest!]

Knicks lost. Raptors got rid of a lazy jump shooting no defense playing bum and received a 2016 first rounder that will probably be a lottery pick when the Knicks start to suck again. This isn't NBA 2k13, a Melo, JR and Bargnani lineup would give up 110 ppg.

Your a Known Knicks Hater, ya opinion doesn't even hold weight

 

[Crack Daniels]

Also, I think the no account, leaderless, losing environment in Toronto was a contributing factor in Bargs sluggish play. Hes now going to play in a winning environment, an accountable locker room, a take no sht coach, and a great scorer who will keep the defense's attention trained on him, giving Bargs better looks and mobility. Bargs will be an improved player.

 

[MikelArteta]

thank you knicks

isnt it funny how the raptors were crap for years and years with bargs
suddenly we get rid of that ancer and the knicks are crap while the raptors are leading hte division