Question on the Knicks-Raptors trade...

[Prodyson]

The time is always now with the Knicks. That's part of their problem.

Until 2015... then they have a clean slate.

This trade doesn't affect the Knicks financially, except for James Dolan's pockets. This doesn't negatively affect the Knicks cap in anyway. They were already in cap hell. This just gives them more flexibility when the rebuild begins, when they can start over with Melo (and probably Shump) and a bunch of money. Clearly you're not aware of the cap situation and game plan for this team. This team has two more years to win, and after that, they have a clean slate.

So you say Bargs isn't worth all of that. But let's compare stats.

Camby rarely played... so we don't even have to consider him. Any bench player can replace his stats, especially since they were pedestrian at best. Hardaway Jr. can replace him easily, and at a position we were thin at.


Novak's Stats:
6.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 bpg, 0.3 apg, 0.2 spg, 41.4 FG%

Bargnani's Stats:
12.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.6 bpg, 0.6 apg, 0.3 spg, 40.0 FG%

So essentially, we got a player who almost doubles Novak's production in every stat, except steals, and only shoots almost the same percentage.

Neither can play D, so that doesn't matter. Defenders still have to guard Bargnani at the 3, so that's not a big deal. And to top it off, Bargnani's contract is shorter than Novak's.

The best part of this, is now we have a PF who can play with Melo, that won't want to operate on the same part of the court and isn't offensively inept. Barg's could sit on the 3pt line with Melo in the post and still be a threat.

Barg's is far from a star player. But he's a sufficient role player. If we can get another big that plays good D and average offense. The front line should be okay. Of course, then we still have the PG issue.

 

[Da King]

Here is a list of that years better free agents. (Some of these guys is based on projected potential imho)

Roy Hibbert
Kevin love
Lamarcus Alderidge
Marc Gasol
Kyrie Irving (RFA)
Tony Parker
Rondo
Kwahi Leonard (RFA)
Klay thompson
Enes Kanter (RFA)
Vucevic (RFA)
Chandler Parsons (RFA)

Keep in mind the Knicks could also sign 3 of these guys to 12-15 a year deals and unlike 2010 free agency Knicks should have a core playoff team that will have feature Melo so the knicks will be a stronger destination overall

Parker and Leonard not going anywhere fukk nikka

 

[Wargames]

Parker and Leonard not going anywhere fukk nikka

Hey man 20 million a year.... They got to think about it at least...

But most likely alderidge is the guy so don't get your p*ssy in a twist bytch nikka

 

[beenz]

Knicks lost. Raptors got rid of a lazy jump shooting no defense playing bum and received a 2016 first rounder that will probably be a lottery pick when the Knicks start to suck again. This isn't NBA 2k13, a Melo, JR and Bargnani lineup would give up 110 ppg.

JR opted out actually. I dont think the knicks can resign him given they don't have bird rights for him.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Not saying it was good or bad yet but 2 questions to those who think the Knicks got beat in the head on this...

1. Considering all the health issues Bargnani has had... if the Knicks would have kept Novak & Camby, while keeping in mind Woodson's rotations, would Novak and Camby contribute more? (While answering that, what were Novak and Camby's production levels this year... especially when it counted.)

2. If Bargnani was the issue and not the pieces the Knicks gave away... what conceivable trade can you think of with the same pieces(Novak, Camby & 3 picks)? What could the Knicks have gotten better than Bargnani, basically?

In a trade...somebody wins and somebody loses... After answering those questions... who loses?

hopefully the europunk contributes

You gotta factor in his remaining two years 23 mil contract. Bargnani has always been soft and lazy and I highly doubt going to New York is going to change that. Knicks already have a useless PF (amare) killing there cap space, signing another one is dumb. Knicks could of used that money to fill other needs.

Can't we buy him out after a season

 

[pimpineasy]

Until 2015... then they have a clean slate.

This trade doesn't affect the Knicks financially, except for James Dolan's pockets. This doesn't negatively affect the Knicks cap in anyway. They were already in cap hell. This just gives them more flexibility when the rebuild begins, when they can start over with Melo (and probably Shump) and a bunch of money. Clearly you're not aware of the cap situation and game plan for this team. This team has two more years to win, and after that, they have a clean slate.

So you say Bargs isn't worth all of that. But let's compare stats.

Camby rarely played... so we don't even have to consider him. Any bench player can replace his stats, especially since they were pedestrian at best. Hardaway Jr. can replace him easily, and at a position we were thin at.


Novak's Stats:
6.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 bpg, 0.3 apg, 0.2 spg, 41.4 FG%

Bargnani's Stats:
12.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.6 bpg, 0.6 apg, 0.3 spg, 40.0 FG%

So essentially, we got a player who almost doubles Novak's production in every stat, except steals, and only shoots almost the same percentage.

Neither can play D, so that doesn't matter. Defenders still have to guard Bargnani at the 3, so that's not a big deal. And to top it off, Bargnani's contract is shorter than Novak's.

The best part of this, is now we have a PF who can play with Melo, that won't want to operate on the same part of the court and isn't offensively inept. Barg's could sit on the 3pt line with Melo in the post and still be a threat.

Barg's is far from a star player. But he's a sufficient role player. If we can get another big that plays good D and average offense. The front line should be okay. Of course, then we still have the PG issue.

All of this is true but like someone said above ..............did they overpay for barg by including those picks

 

[23Barrettcity]

JR opted out actually. I dont think the knicks can resign him given they don't have bird rights for him.

Early bird rights we can resign him just can't match contracts . His player option was like 2.9 mil so yeah he wasn't taking that

 

[Wargames]

JR opted out actually. I dont think the knicks can resign him given they don't have bird rights for him.

Nah knickx have his early bird rights and can give him around 5.5 to 5.8. Today Woods on and the FO are suppose to meet with JR to talk about him returning.

 

[DPresidential]

All of this is true but like someone said above ..............did they overpay for barg by including those picks

Bruh, those picks were 2nd rounders & late first round probably...in the 2016 season.

The cost may have been a bit over but we don't know what was said in those trade meetings and honestly, I don't think Grunwald is done dealing.

I am happy with this trade just because we have someone who when on the floor, WILL contribute more than Camby & Novak.

Note: Camby was not the problem, it was Woody's use of him. I know this is a business but it was really a bad move not atleast using him late in the series against the Pacers, especially since he is saying he was healthy.

ANd Novak, I really liked him in the 2011-2012 season but he fell off considerably. He's a product of the Lin era and that is over...

We could use Bargnani for a trade or contribution.

 

[beenz]

Nah knickx have his early bird rights and can give him around 5.5 to 5.8. Today Woods on and the FO are suppose to meet with JR to talk about him returning.

how can the knicks possibly have JR Smith's bird rights when they signed him straight outta china for damn near the vet's minimum????

 

[Prodyson]

All of this is true but like someone said above ..............did they overpay for barg by including those picks

Even if they did... So what?

The only questionable part of the deal that we should MAYBE be concerned with is the picks. But even with that... The second round picks are probably useless, considering the Knicks have never really had a knack for picking up good players that late. If this was the spurs, then I might be a little more concerned. And even the first round pick isn't that great since they'll have to swap with Denver if it's any good. So they essentially gave up the equivalent of 3 second round picks, for a franchise that's not great at making draft picks



I think they'll be okay...

Side note: Now if Hardaway Jr. turns out to be some baller that they picked up at 24... then I'll probably be a little pissed about the picks. Cause that would mean two good picks on the back end of the 1st round.

 

[MikelArteta]

how can the knicks possibly have JR Smith's bird rights when they signed him straight outta china for damn near the vet's minimum????

they have partial bird rights

 

[beenz]

they have partial bird rights

what are partial bird rights? I didn't even know this existed.

 

[Reggie]

I don't think this was a good move for the Knicks but we will see. Bargnani is talented and can shoot but he's soft and been injured the last couple of season. And once he has an extended run of being average that Knicks crowd will boo him out of the building.

 

[userofherb]

camby and novak almost make up bargs contract. and camby barely played last yr. n novak didnt play in the playoffs (though i think it was woodsons mistake becuz jr and novak contrasted eachother very well. but novak got no mins. i honestly think woodson dropped the ball by not doing what got them there) basically we got rid of 8 mill worth of contracts on 2 guys that were not gettin ANY burn.

this is where u KNick haters expose urselves becuz anyone that saw the games last yr knows they got no burn excluding novak in the season . bargnani is an upgrade cuz he can shoot it and is a more versatile scorer than novak BY FAR.

What i wanna kno is whats the basis behind cambys comments basically saying he wasnt givven a fair shot at any minutes. i thought he was hurt all along woodson got some explaining to do.

terrible rotations and refusing to play novak and copeland ultimately kille d the knicks. everytime cope and novak wud come in theyd always start hitting 3s but itd be too late. and when it wasnt too late hed pull them after scoring!

with that said bargnani will produce and impact more than the both of them combined but i dont like all this pick trading starting again. besides shump whos basically trade bait now we have nobody young to take over later. smh