Question, what promise did Obama make the black community when running?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Lets hear them. Let's hear of specific policy changes or initiatives Obama has done to help the vast majority of poor black people.

Well, for one, I worked directly under the Department of Community Affairs. When the funds for the Federal Stimulus were initially disbursed to us, we were able to directly improve the living conditions and lower energy costs of many low/fixed income households in the county in which I reside by installing refrigerators, new domestic water heaters, new heating systems, new windows/doors, ceiling/wall insulation, repairing gas leaks, lead/mold remediation, and a few other things of that nature all at little/no-cost to the homeowner. We were also able to employ an additional 20 people for my department including an additional 5 Energy Auditors. This was just my county, there were 20 additional counties that each received similar benefits in my state. In total, my organization helped over 600 households in 3 years' time before I left, the vast majority (about 90% according to State records) were Black.

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[Broke Wave]

Well, for one, I worked directly under the Department of Community Affairs. When the funds for the Federal Stimulus were initially disbursed to us, we were able to directly improve the living conditions and lower energy costs of many low/fixed income households in the county in which I reside by installing refrigerators, new domestic water heaters, new heating systems, new windows/doors, ceiling/wall insulation, repairing gas leaks, lead/mold remediation, and a few other things of that nature all at little/no-cost to the homeowner. We were also able to employ an additional 20 people for my department including an additional 5 Energy Auditors. This was just my county, there were 20 additional counties that each received similar benefits in my state. In total, my organization helped over 600 households in 3 years' time before I left, the vast majority (about 90% according to State records) were Black.

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what a complete waste of your time writing to me about the Federal fukking Stimulus. You mean the Stimulus that was direly needed to stop the US economy from hemorrhaging 750k jobs a months? A necessary economic action which by the way was blundered, in order to stop the complete collapse of the economy is something you would call a policy initiative designed to help Black people, or any people? BUSH WOULD have done a federal stimulus, and he did in fact. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts. Attributing this to benevolence or any type of serious policy consideration is utterly laughable.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You asked:

Let's hear of specific policy changes or initiatives Obama has done to help the vast majority of poor black people.

I gave you one that SPECIFICALLY addressed your question. The ARRA was enacted by the 111th Congress in 2009 and signed into law by....

Now you're asking for proof of 'benevolence'......

It's obvious you only want to argue and move the goalpost instead of realizing the impact of his not-so-public work (which is all on public record) and directly helped 'Black' people throughout the Nation. Nothing wrong with criticizing how weak the overall application of the ARRA was in-light of what it could have been, but you're just not going to be satisfied that he didn't give poor 'Black' people blank checks.

My question to you is: If you think you could have done better, why didn't YOU run for President?​

 

[tru_m.a.c]

You asked:



I gave you one that SPECIFICALLY addressed your question. The ARRA was enacted by the 111th Congress in 2009 and signed into law by....

Now you're asking for proof of 'benevolence'......

It's obvious you only want to argue and move the goalpost instead of realizing the impact of his not-so-public work (which is all on public record) and directly helped 'Black' people throughout the Nation. Nothing wrong with criticizing how weak the overall application of the ARRA was in-light of what it could have been, but you're just not going to be satisfied that he didn't give poor 'Black' people blank checks.

My question to you is: If you think you could have done better, why didn't YOU run for President?​

Do I agree with you, yes.

But there is a common theme in all of these threads. When folks criticize Obama's focus on the black community, they're really asking:

"What has Obama done for the black community, that the previous 4 (arbitrary #) Presidents before him haven't/wouldn't have? What has Obama done for the black community that Hillary wouldn't have? What has Obama done for the black community that any other Democratic nominee wouldn't have done?"

The question is asked because him being of African descent is sup-...well I don't need to explain that one.

 

[Broke Wave]

You asked:



I gave you one that SPECIFICALLY addressed your question. The ARRA was enacted by the 111th Congress in 2009 and signed into law by....

Now you're asking for proof of 'benevolence'......

It's obvious you only want to argue and move the goalpost instead of realizing the impact of his not-so-public work (which is all on public record) and directly helped 'Black' people throughout the Nation. Nothing wrong with criticizing how weak the overall application of the ARRA was in-light of what it could have been, but you're just not going to be satisfied that he didn't give poor 'Black' people blank checks.

My question to you is: If you think you could have done better, why didn't YOU run for President?​

Straaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw maaaaaan.

Was the 2nd world war a policy change to help Black People, even though it did help Blacks? This is the worst logic ever.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Do I agree with you, yes.

But there is a common theme in all of these threads. When folks criticize Obama's focus on the black community, they're really asking:

"What has Obama done for the black community, that the previous 4 (arbitrary #) Presidents before him haven't/wouldn't have? What has Obama done for the black community that Hillary wouldn't have? What has Obama done for the black community that any other Democratic nominee wouldn't have done?"

The question is asked because him being of African descent is sup-...well I don't need to explain that one.

That's just stupid reasoning and one of the factors contributing to this type of nonsense. Because he's 'Black' doesn't mean his focus is 'supposed' to be on 'Black' people as POTUS. People think he's like their 'boy' at the drive-thru window at McDonald's and demand a 'hook-up' despite the risk to his own employment and reputation. That's plain retarded. To posit 'What would so-and-so do if they were in his situation' is also needless hypothesizing. He did what he was 'supposed' to do: Proved that 'Black' people can run this country. Anything more than that would be icing on the proverbial cake.

The problem with our community is we keep looking for someone else to 'fix' our issues and lead us when we should just do the job ourselves. There are too many followers and not enough leaders. All these 'crab-in-a-barrel' cats need to STFU unless they can do better.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Straaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw maaaaaan.

Was the 2nd world war a policy change to help Black People, even though it did help Blacks? This is the worst logic ever.

Your question is a weak analogy.....a logical fallacy.....which renders your entire argument void.

Your 'logic' is a joke and you're not mature enough to engage in a conversation without resorting to childish histrionics.

Don't bother responding or quoting me, you're now on 'Ignore'.

Have a nice day.
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[tru_m.a.c]

To posit 'What would so-and-so do if they were in his situation' is also needless hypothesizing.

How so? How is asking how Person x would've responded to situation Y not permitted? Is this not the same train of thought we/you asked prior to casting our votes?

It's also not needless hypothesizing when one of the people he beat it, the alternative that many of his supporters did not want in 2008, is patiently awaiting her spot in 2016

 

[tru_m.a.c]

He did what he was 'supposed' to do: Proved that 'Black' people can run this country. Anything more than that would be icing on the proverbial cake​

Is that what we were supposed to get out of this presidency? Proof that we could run the country?

I'm absolutely miffed by how to respond to this. Because its a c00n ass/racist ass statement, but I know its not meant to be.

I don't need a woman/Native American/ Pacific Islander etc etc to run the country, to prove to me that they can.

lol you dead ass just gave him a backhanded compliment

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

How so? How is asking how Person x would've responded to situation Y not permitted? Is this not the same train of thought we/you asked prior to casting our votes?

It's also not needless hypothesizing when one of the people he beat it, the alternative that many of his supporters did not want in 2008, is patiently awaiting her spot in 2016

Because we're not asking how Person X would've responded to a situation. The OP asked 'What did Obama promise to 'Black' people as President?' No need to hypothesize something else.
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[tru_m.a.c]

Because we're not asking how Person X would've responded to a situation. The OP asked 'What did Obama promise to 'Black' people as President?' No need to hypothesize something else.
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but I pointed out his poorly worded statement

he even dapped it

Its just something I've picked up after the 100th time of reading this type of thread. I'm being the devils advocate here so that we can move toward a more fruitful conversation.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Is that what we were supposed to get out of this presidency? Proof that we could run the country?

I'm absolutely miffed by how to respond to this. Because its a c00n ass/racist ass statement, but I know its not meant to be.

I don't need a woman/Native American/ Pacific Islander etc etc to run the country, to prove to me that they can.

lol you dead ass just gave him a backhanded compliment

My perspective is a tad bit different than some. I have pics of my mother and aunt getting arrested in Mississippi for sitting-in at a 'Whites Only' restaurant and my grandfather was tortured by the Klan to stop him from voting back in the 30's.

Considering we weren't treated as equal citizens of this country until 50 years ago, a 'Black' man chosen as it's leader is quite an accomplishment and a definitively considerable step in the right direction.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

but I pointed out his poorly worded statement

he even dapped it

Its just something I've picked up after the 100th time of reading this type of thread. I'm being the devils advocate here so that we can move toward a more fruitful conversation.

, got ya'. My thing is, asking hypothetical questions really doesn't solve anything since any answer would be pure supposition. I have no idea how (or if) Person X would have done things differently than Person Y or Z and we ALL know the President doesn't make decisions dictatorially. I do know I didn't vote for Obama based on his ethnicity, but I'm in the minority in my circle of influence.​

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

This is the worst logic I've ever heard. Almost as bad as your barbaric logic with regards to Anwar-Al-Awlaki's unlawful targeted killing, and that of his 16 year old son. dikk riding Obama is still dikk riding.

Reading is fundamental my friend. Here is what YOU wrote:

Obama didn't implicitly promise to do anything for Black people but that does NOT excuse him or anybody from doing absolutely nothing for them, which is the status quo.

So, 1. If you are referring to ANYBODY I would assume ANYBODY that can help blacks in anyway...so I asked...what have you...being an ANYBODY type of person, done for blacks?

Your response: "I'm just a bitch-ass 22 year old".

So that's all I wanted to know, nobody can have an excuse, except for you, for not being able to help the black community. Go find some black councilmen in Canada to nurse your wounded soul.

2. You're trying to criticize and hold Obama accountable for not being a good black leader when most rational minded people should be judging him as any other leader.

If you thought that black America was going to change drastically after the first election of a black president...then I'm sorry you got your hopes up. I personally didn't choose him to be the president of "Black America" I chose him because I wanted this country to someone other than an old white man, represent this country as a great leader. Plus the two other options he was running against were not to my liking so I'm pretty content with my choice.

I don't judge his actions and policies on one group of people I judge him on his policies on all Americans.

3. I told you I felt sorry for the fact that your life is so miserable with Obama being the president but seeing how your Canadian, looking and judging us from the outside, I guess I now REALLY don't give a fuck what you think. So.....umm...eat a dick?

 

[Born2BKing]

what a complete waste of your time writing to me about the Federal fukking Stimulus. You mean the Stimulus that was direly needed to stop the US economy from hemorrhaging 750k jobs a months? A necessary economic action which by the way was blundered, in order to stop the complete collapse of the economy is something you would call a policy initiative designed to help Black people, or any people? BUSH WOULD have done a federal stimulus, and he did in fact. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts. Attributing this to benevolence or any type of serious policy consideration is utterly laughable.

And this is exactly why I did not reply to you earlier. I could have predicted your response before I typed mine. Nothing Obama has done or will do will be good enough for you because your disdain is way to deep to overcome at this point. I myself can break things down into issues and give criticism and also praise when it is due. Obama could rescue a baby from a fire and you'd have some slick shyt to say. Debating with guys like you is pointless. It'd be like someone going on Hannity and thinking they can get him to give Obama any praise. shyt is like talking to a brick wall.