Quincy Jones Goes OFF!: Says Michael Jackson Was A Musical Thief + Marvin Gaye Was Actually Gay

[Guvnor]

Nikka just say you don’t believe it happened and shut d fukk up.......(I never said Pac said it either, I said it was either Jada said he said it or shock g or someone else) .....ol passive aggressive debatin ass nikka. Mopreme said Pac said it....., it’s his brother. If that connection ain’t close enough then clearly you just don’t feel Quincy would do that, So just say that. Nobody has Pac sayin that in first person to a camera.....except maybe Angie Martinez....that'd be career annihilation .




Regardless, ya favorite metal head jazz producer was out here smokin on dikks....enjoy secret garden nikka

Are you stupid? I don't deal with all this kinda gossip, all I'm saying is I need something more substantial before I can say I believe it. From what I see people say all kind of shyt about this and mention professor Griff but no one has said anything solid on it. You brought up his daughter but she claimed Pac apologized for something else and she was not saying that her father Quincy was trying to fukk him.

Now this is the first time I've heared that Mopreme said it and while that was Pac's brother that don't mean they were close or it doesn't mean he has his own agenda. All I'm saying is I need something more substantial because if Mopreme said it then why has he never even said it again? lol.

 

[Guvnor]

Yep this


This is one of my favs too, and the way it was chopped created is

Dope

Did you take my dilla comments out of context from skimming?


Art Barr

Where? I didn't quote you.

 

[Art Barr]

Dope

Where? I didn't quote you.

No doubt.

 

[raoulduke187]

Marvin's name kinda gave him Awaye

 

[Edub]

Are you stupid? I don't deal with all this kinda gossip, all I'm saying is I need something more substantial before I can say I believe it. From what I see people say all kind of shyt about this and mention professor Griff but no one has said anything solid on it. You brought up his daughter but she claimed Pac apologized for something else and she was not saying that her father Quincy was trying to fukk him.

Now this is the first time I've heared that Mopreme said it and while that was Pac's brother that don't mean they were close or it doesn't mean he has his own agenda. All I'm saying is I need something more substantial because if Mopreme said it then why has he never even said it again? lol.

Breh.....I nor most hip hop heads don’t sit around watching interviews concerning Tupac every night. The average cat has seen hundreds of these type interviews from EVERYONE that was close to him. If you don’t know how close Mopreme and Pac were at one point then you clearly don’t know much about Pac. But like any human memory mine needs to be refreshed about all that’s been seen....I’m not a Pac Wikipedia ......there are tons of interviews that came out that are no longer available on the internet mainstream today. There’s 22 years worth of footage concerning his life from others after his death somewhere out there today. But that bit about Q was said. But don’t believe, that’s your right.

 

[Edub]

nikkaz in here deflecting breh.
Pac been outed Quincy and trying to ask one of these Pac clone war fans to find the proof is just like they won't up makavelli Leonard part six deux or the transcripts.
Quincy been burn up in the cultural and gangsta rap portions of the rap industry. Originally he was outta there because vibe was an rnb only mag. Yet to save face because it was failing in that original large ad space publication venue. They had to turn to rap and thus all this ahit was swept under the rug for the vibe coverage and exclusives on Pac.

Vibe was never a cultural hiphop publication and originally was vehemently against rap when Quincy launched it.

It is just the draw of pac's shyt was so large they changed direction and politically changed scope to seem in league with the tupac content while he was under duress. Don't be fooled.

Learn ya history.




Art Barr

Vibe originally hated and was completely juxtaposed to rap. Till they decided to cover pac given how on fiyah his draw was. Plus we see from the prison industry complex everything as well.
Don't be fooled.



Art Barr

Exactly, Quincy somewhere along the lines became throned “the behind the scenes king of black music” and after MJ thriller in the eighties Hip Hop took over and he found himself out of his musical element for the first time. He tried his best to collaborate with mc’s but he could never do anything noteworthy to the art. Then he supported vibe to stabilize RnB in an ever growing Hip Hop world and eventually had to wave the white flag on that....all the way to the point where vibe became cornerstone in the east vs west hip hop beef, bad boy vs death row....based on Q’s wishes they never should have even been writing on or about these artists. IMO Teddy Riley is our Quincy Jones.....cuz Quincy jones lost the pulse in late eighties early nineties and been hatin on Hip Hop on the low ever since.

 

[Art Barr]

Exactly, Quincy somewhere along the lines became throned “the behind the scenes king of black music” and after MJ thriller in the eighties Hip Hop took over and he found himself out of his musical element for the first time. He tried his best to collaborate with mc’s but he could never do anything noteworthy to the art. Then he supported vibe to stabilize RnB in an ever growing Hip Hop world and eventually had to wave the white flag on that....all the way to the point where vibe became cornerstone in the east vs west hip hop beef, bad boy vs death row....based on Q’s wishes they never should have even been writing on or about these artists. IMO Teddy Riley is our Quincy Jones.....cuz Quincy jones lost the pulse in late eighties early nineties and been hatin on Hip Hop on the low ever since.

The media that they say kidnapped the east west beef was vibe magazine singlehandedly creating the narrative erroneously as well.
Originally vibe was an large ad rnb and wannabe high fashion mag. That was completely in marketing and scope against hiphop and rap. It was not till the pac shyt and their scoop did all this get manipulated and swept under. To the point vibe masqueraded and profitted off hiphop and hated it. Yet used the direction for their agenda. Plus, the original issues Pac had with Quincy were covered up. Originally, Pac said Quincy Jones came on to the bull. Which was scrubbed from time as we can see. All this change the narrative and try to act like the internet has had all the data is a lie. Especially as far as hiphop is concerned.
When It comes to vibe they were one of the few that were highly demonstrative and resistant to online migration as well. So I would never trust them online as far as all the content being there.

Just to illustrate shyt being found and now kinda not there on the net. Especially after the fall of the net.
Like right now I can not find the loon interview.
where he says how and when puff became aware of him before mase. Way before mase ever sold out too.

Yet that is not found and that is recent. Glad I lived this shyt cause my memory is really unphased about the big stuff. The whole Pac said Quincy came on to him thing was a real. It may have been covered up but originally Pac said Quincy made a move on him. Which is why I found it funny Quincy Jones would try to out others. When, of course if you look for the original anything on vibe or Pac. It will not be found or it has been effectively scrubbed.



Art Barr


Vibe magazine = the enemy.
The alleged, media people use a buzz word about in referring to the pac/big situation.

 

[L. Deezy]

Exactly, Quincy somewhere along the lines became throned “the behind the scenes king of black music” and after MJ thriller in the eighties Hip Hop took over and he found himself out of his musical element for the first time. He tried his best to collaborate with mc’s but he could never do anything noteworthy to the art. Then he supported vibe to stabilize RnB in an ever growing Hip Hop world and eventually had to wave the white flag on that....all the way to the point where vibe became cornerstone in the east vs west hip hop beef, bad boy vs death row....based on Q’s wishes they never should have even been writing on or about these artists. IMO Teddy Riley is our Quincy Jones.....cuz Quincy jones lost the pulse in late eighties early nineties and been hatin on Hip Hop on the low ever since.

Lol..nygga, Qyincy was in his 60s in the nineties. Kinda argument is that? What other producer was at his level ever in their 60s? Name one?

Of course someone else was bound to come along like Teddy.. Teddy was my nygga. Innovative sound.. it was his time, but not like he dethroned Quincy or someting

 

[spliz]

Lol..nygga, Qyincy was in his 60s in the nineties. Kinda argument is that? What other producer was at his level ever in their 60s? Name one?

Of course someone else was bound to come along like Teddy.. Teddy was my nygga. Innovative sound.. it was his time, but not like he dethroned Quincy or someting

Son u missing the whole point. The point is hip hop got Quincy out of his element for the first time and he couldnt grasp and failed at it and HE felt insecure about that which made him flip and start hating ever since. Like I said before. Quincy fell into the hype of being this renaissance man when it comes to music but him not being able to do hip hop successfully bruised his ego. Same way MJ calling him out for stealing credit from him bruised his ego and he waited till MJ died and been shytting on him ever since. Even going as low as calling him a thief of one of main songs MJ fought him over cause thats how petty Quincy is as a person. Yea. He shytting on hip hop cause he cant list it as another notch under his belt cause he’s too egotistical to admit he was out of touch. That nikka is his own worst enemy.

 

[R-Typ3]

He touches on that album in this interview and says he wasn't happy with how it turned out and said the rappers wanted to do it for him but he didn't want to do it lol. Check out the full article.

Also I think Quincy just has an ear for older much more composition based music so his taste is different. He can't really understand hiphop.

Bullshyt Q came into our world thru the big band jazz era..On thru bop thru fusion..funk..etc etc which when you break 'em all down are the roots of hip hop..If he was referring to what we have out here now then I can see it, but the man can't front and diss now when he's worked with cats like Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane, and Ice T when they were all new jacks.. Almost had Pac as his son in law knowin and understandinf his mission ..Hell, Tech N9ne was on his label Quest for a min too in '99-'00

 

[Guvnor]

Breh.....I nor most hip hop heads don’t sit around watching interviews concerning Tupac every night. The average cat has seen hundreds of these type interviews from EVERYONE that was close to him. If you don’t know how close Mopreme and Pac were at one point then you clearly don’t know much about Pac. But like any human memory mine needs to be refreshed about all that’s been seen....I’m not a Pac Wikipedia ......there are tons of interviews that came out that are no longer available on the internet mainstream today. There’s 22 years worth of footage concerning his life from others after his death somewhere out there today. But that bit about Q was said. But don’t believe, that’s your right.

If it was said someone can find the footage when I ask them about it or give consistent stories about it's origin. Everyone mentions Griff but never has a consistent story on it's origin. Also even if they were close it doesn't mean he didn't have an agenda not to accuse him but I need to at least see the interview or hear someone ask him about it. All I can say is I need proof and until then I can't consider this to be true and your word alone is not valid for me.

 

[Art Barr]

Son u missing the whole point. The point is hip hop got Quincy out of his element for the first time and he couldnt grasp and failed at it and HE felt insecure about that which made him flip and start hating ever since. Like I said before. Quincy fell into the hype of being this renaissance man when it comes to music but him not being able to do hip hop successfully bruised his ego. Same way MJ calling him out for stealing credit from him bruised his ego and he waited till MJ died and been shytting on him ever since. Even going as low as calling him a thief of one of main songs MJ fought him over cause thats how petty Quincy is as a person. Yea. He shytting on hip hop cause he cant list it as another notch under his belt cause he’s too egotistical to admit he was out of touch. That nikka is his own worst enemy.

This.

This is quincy's almost every decade try to gain relevence for a venture.
or move or ploy he always used. Yet just like you said, he tried with hiphop and completely failed. Like not like harry Belafonte and the turn of the public on beatstreet from the ending/conclusion. Quincy failed immediately in rap and was demonstrative from the start.
when he failed quietly being demonstrative from the sideline with vibe magazine. Of which since he failed at rap originally. Vibe was a rnb high fashion ad spread magazine. Heavy on ads, light on actual content. Till vibe started to fail from that direction. Till eventually it held all hiphop media hostage with the pac content.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

If it was said someone can find the footage when I ask them about it or give consistent stories about it's origin. Everyone mentions Griff but never has a consistent story on it's origin. Also even if they were close it doesn't mean he didn't have an agenda not to accuse him but I need to at least see the interview or hear someone ask him about it. All I can say is I need proof and until then I can't consider this to be true and your word alone is not valid for me.

This is before the fall of the internet, breh.
You talking like media outlets were cool with the net before the fall of the internet and they were dually left to lean back because of dwindling print sales. Which resulted not from the net but because their content was severely lacking and dated by the time the envelope of close to print time brought the content to print. By that time dated content that had been elaborated on. Of which they failed because they would never concisely create a supplement using the web. The reason why all these media company failed is they still tried to price gouge the market with their physicals. Instead of creating a sound online supplement to their business. I know so cause I watched all of the large news and media outlets be demonstrative to change. Plus continue to price gouge the public as well. Tikk eventually they fell to where we are now. With this headfake of all the information is found online and it is not. Books have not been all transcribed to digital like that. They can try to play it but it has not.
We are in the age of ignorance we are in right now. From the earlier company's being demonstrative to the net as a whole.
I feel you in wanting to have proof.
Yet this is hiphop we supposed to be in the know and I knowingly know you van not fact check it all via the net.
Wish we could but we can not. Which stems from company's in fear of the digital age and looking to price gouge. Instead of using the net as it was intended as a supplement to their business.

Not sure how old you are but this whole net fascination shyt going on.
Especially after bush relaunched the internet is a lie.


Art Barr

 

[Hannibal Fox]

Noone is trying to make his accomplishments look basic. But dude has a condescending attitude when it comes to hip hop and people are calling him out on it. And its funny I noticed how alot of people on this HIP HOP board has this same attitude towards hip hop as well.

Fam Ive been noticing this since and it always pisses me off, funny thing is I play instruments and have never felt threatened by someone who uses an MPC/DAW or who sample, once again I see people trying to downplay Dilla......like Dilla didn't play instruments or understand theory a lot of posters talking out their ass in this thread.

Music came before the theory......some people need to remember that.

 

[Guvnor]

Bullshyt Q came into our world thru the big band jazz era..On thru bop thru fusion..funk..etc etc which when you break 'em all down are the roots of hip hop..If he was referring to what we have out here now then I can see it, but the man can't front and diss now when he's worked with cats like Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane, and Ice T when they were all new jacks.. Almost had Pac as his son in law knowin and understandinf his mission ..Hell, Tech N9ne was on his label Quest for a min too in '99-'00

He don't seem to like rap though.

Fam Ive been noticing this since and it always pisses me off, funny thing is I play instruments and have never felt threatened by someone who uses an MPC/DAW or who sample, once again I see people trying to downplay Dilla......like Dilla didn't play instruments or understand theory a lot of posters talking out their ass in this thread.

Music came before the theory......some people need to remember that.

Facts, that last part is ether right there.Very true!