R. Kelly Is Charged With Using Bribes to Marry Aaliyah at Age 15

[Professor Emeritus]

R Kelly is disgusting, but if people decide cash is enough justice then it is what it is. No do overs.

But no one person gets to decide what justice is. Society decides. If a rapist only attacks poor kids and then bribes the families of those poor kids to force them to be silent, I want that rapist in jail so that no more poor kids are victimized.

Think about what you are saying. There are a$$holes who fly to SE Asia to fukk little Cambodian kids for money. You really want to say, "If the kids take the money, that's good enough for me. "

How is that any different. If some white pervert gets a blowjob from a 12yo Cambodian girl that's wrong but when R. Kelly pisses in the mouth of a 14-year-old Black girl that's okay so long as the girl's parents get paid to keep their mouths shut?

Epstein was only arrested because of a documentary too. Were you keeping that same energy and saying Epstein needed to be released because his prosecutors were just clout chasing?

Because this isn’t about justice. It’s about clout chasing.

Rich people not facing punishment for their crimes is exactly my point. Justice doesn’t work the same for everyone. I think we are all saying the same thing and all agree (except @Wild self weirdo self).

So evil criminals should only be punished if the law enforcement and attorneys behind their punishment are absolutely pure in heart and motive?

Come on now.

If they did a horrific crime, and that is proven fairly in a court of law, then they should face justice. ALL of them.

 

[Wild self]

Because this isn’t about justice. It’s about clout chasing.

Rich people not facing punishment for their crimes is exactly my point. Justice doesn’t work the same for everyone. I think we are all saying the same thing and all agree (except @Wild self weirdo self).

I'm,not defending R Kelly or him fukking underaged girls. The girls' parents were the ones that groomed them to be with Kellz. Even worse, NOT A SINGLE PERSON EVER CARED ABOUT THESE GIRLS UNTIL THAT BULLshyt DOCUMENTARY AIRED ON TV.

People are programmed how to feel at certain times. That's the biggest injustice of it all: a damn documentary ommitting info had to be made for people to start caring.

 

[Pressure]

But no one person gets to decide what justice is. Society decides. If a rapist only attacks poor kids and then bribes the families of those poor kids to force them to be silent, I want that rapist in jail so that no more poor kids are victimized.

Think about what you are saying. There are a$$holes who fly to SE Asia to fukk little Cambodian kids for money. You really want to say, "If the kids take the money, that's good enough for me. "

That society makes their own laws. It's straight forward.

If the laws are flawed then it's on society to fix them.

How is that any different. If some white pervert gets a blowjob from a 12yo Cambodian girl that's wrong but when R. Kelly pisses in the mouth of a 14-year-old Black girl that's okay so long as the girl's parents get paid to keep their mouths shut?

You're a pedo, but it's no on US law enforcement to enforce laws outside of their jurisdiction. There's a reason for this. And it's pretty sound.

I dont care if the girl is black or whatever btw, that really has no baring here.

My point, is and has been, as long as the victims are willing to take the money and be quiet then I see no need to go back 23 years to build a case people ignored in the first place.

If you believe that r Kelly obstructed justice back then, charge him. If you feel like the parents obstructed justice, then charge them too.

But if we're not going to address the real issues that lead to people subverting justice this is just clout chasing.

 

[mastermind]

So evil criminals should only be punished if the law enforcement and attorneys behind their punishment are absolutely pure in heart and motive?

Come on now.

If they did a horrific crime, and that is proven fairly in a court of law, then they should face justice. ALL of them.

I never said he shouldn’t face justice

my point is they could have pursued this 20 years ago when everyone knew they got married and they did nothing.

This isn’t like Epstein or Cosby where it was only known in certain circles and needed a whistleblower. I am 35 years old and knew R. Kelly married Aaliyah when I was 12.

 

[drifter]

fukk that bedwench that made that documentary in the first place.....I'll throw that birdbrain thot into a Volcano.

Cause she is a race traitor and needs her body sent to a damn volcano.

I'm,not defending R Kelly or him fukking underaged girls. The girls' parents were the ones that groomed them to be with Kellz. Even worse, NOT A SINGLE PERSON EVER CARED ABOUT THESE GIRLS UNTIL THAT BULLshyt DOCUMENTARY AIRED ON TV.

People are programmed how to feel at certain times. That's the biggest injustice of it all: a damn documentary ommitting info had to be made for people to start caring.

Do not bring life onto this planet.

 

[re'up]

I won’t speak for everyone else, but for me this was known for 23 years. No one investigated it over the last 23 years. It only became something to pursue because of the documentary. That’s why I’m upset and see this being bullshyt.

See, I don't get this at all. This is good, this is progress. Can we even begin to fathom the twisted web of reasons across several different law enforcement divisions, (federal and state) and several different jurisdictions? Can you imagine the changes of staff, or prosecutors, investigators, US Attorney's, District Attorney's? Can we comprehend the change in laws to allow prosecution of non mafia cases under the RICO act? Can we imagine how society and thus law enforcement has progressed to even allow something like this to be charged at the federal level? The amount of either incompetence, apathy, or just sheer lack of prosecutorial power that allowed him to dodge charges for years? I have NO idea who led the US Attorneys office in Chicago in 1995.

And lest we forget, the DA's office charged him, 20 years ago. And, like a lot of extremely high profile cases, it fell apart, after a long delayed trial. Everyone forgets that. They took a run at him at the height of his fame.

I can say that people's opinions have changed, that this is worth pursuing, this is worth making right. The idea of "why are they doing this now" is so strange to me, I can't intellectually or emotionally understand where that comes from, does it invalidate this now? This is STANDARD federal prosecution on a case of this magnitude, they tear into you like a rabid dog, until you lay it down. Kelly wants to fight, so they will make him surrender, one way or another.

 

[Wild self]

Do not bring life onto this planet.

I never defended R Kellys actions, just that people are programmed to react when the media tells them to.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

These fools just now want to charge this when everyone knew this chick was 15! it’s not like we just found out her age. I can’t take the “justice system” seriously

Yup he deserves to go to jail at the same time I'm like uh what was yall nikias doing all this time?

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

That society makes their own laws. It's straight forward.

If the laws are flawed then it's on society to fix them.


You're a pedo, but it's no on US law enforcement to enforce laws outside of their jurisdiction. There's a reason for this. And it's pretty sound.

I dont care if the girl is black or whatever btw, that really has no baring here.

My point, is and has been, as long as the victims are willing to take the money and be quiet then I see no need to go back 23 years to build a case people ignored in the first place.

If you believe that r Kelly obstructed justice back then, charge him. If you feel like the parents obstructed justice, then charge them too.

But if we're not going to address the real issues that lead to people subverting justice this is just clout chasing.

You saying society makes their own laws but society has decided that now is the time for him to be pubished

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

See, I don't get this at all. This is good, this is progress. Can we even begin to fathom the twisted web of reasons across several different law enforcement divisions, (federal and state) and several different jurisdictions?

Breh, if they gave a real fukk this would’ve been done years ago, it’s just now time persecute r kelly because the media/social media said so. That's not progress, that's problematic. It reinforces that we, specifically black female victims, don't matter unless we become a hashtag somewhere.

 

[Pressure]

You saying society makes their own laws but society has decided that now is the time for him to be pubished

Imagine thinking selective enforcement does justice any favors.



Until they start charging people who helped carry this scheme out.

 

[re'up]

Breh, if they gave a real fukk this would’ve been done years ago, it’s just now time persecute r kelly because the media/social media said so. That's not progress, that's problematic. It reinforces that we, specifically black female victims, don't matter unless we become a hashtag somewhere.

So, you don't prosecute him? This whole idea is ridiculous.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

So, you don't prosecute him? This whole idea is ridiculous.

You prosecute him, but the whole idea of applauding the law for taking action decades after the fact, when they had evidence for years, all because a group of people online started #canceling r kelly is ridiculous

 

[re'up]

You prosecute him, but the whole idea of applauding the law for taking action decades after the fact, when they had evidence for years, all because a group of people online started #canceling r kelly is ridiculous

I don't think any post or article, besides the wording of maybe my post is applauding anything.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I never said he shouldn’t face justice

my point is they could have pursued this 20 years ago when everyone knew they got married and they did nothing.

This isn’t like Epstein or Cosby where it was only known in certain circles and needed a whistleblower. I am 35 years old and knew R. Kelly married Aaliyah when I was 12.

Epstein and Cosby both made national news with this shyt over a decade ago. No one "needed a whistleblower." The only reason they got less public attention was because they didn't have a tape, but every relevant enforcement official already knew.

Imagine thinking selective enforcement does justice any favors.



Until they start charging people who helped carry this scheme out.

All enforcement is selective and that will continue for your entire lifetime, so what's your game plan? Just to be a cynic and bytch?

You prosecute him, but the whole idea of applauding the law for taking action decades after the fact, when they had evidence for years, all because a group of people online started #canceling r kelly is ridiculous

Where was the "applauding the law?" That feels like a strawman.