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[Brown_Pride]

we do have a common language if we didnt we wouldnt be using it to communicate on this message board

i think what's funny is that people say there already is a common language so there is no need to push english and people will learn english anyway, and then you come along and ruin your crew's own argument and say there isnt and there has never been a common language

alrighty then

but nothing you have said is addressing my overarching point which is that a common language is necessary for social cohesion and governance in a non homogenous nation

i totally agree that american culture is an amalgamation of different cultures, and if you are an immigrant you should not expect to keep your language and culture, you should integrate into the integration, so to speak

if other nations also practice freedom, democracy and economic and individual freedom and also have a similar practice of integrating and assimilating cultures then they are american or very similar to america for all intents and purposes, thats a good thing

you're right. I confused COMMON with OFFICIAL/MANDATED language. A common language doesn't say much. The common language on this board is english, that's why we have this convo.

We do have a common language. That addresses your reaching point. We DO NOT have an official language, nor do we need one.

 

[theworldismine13]

lol you're argument is that since we treated other immigrants like shyt and forced them to do a certain thing the ALL immigrants should be treat like shyt?

yeah sure, you can put it that way if you want, in 20th century immigration it was understood that immigrants to the us would eventually lose their language, im not aware of any reason to change that concept

what you and tuh are advocating by bringing up the lack of an official language is that english need not be a common bond amongst americans and it need not be a defining characteristic of being american, its a free country you are entitled to that view

im simply saying 1) that does not mesh with what other people in the thread are saying, people are saying that everybody speaks english so whats the big deal but you are saying that not everybody speaks english and thats fine

2) people are saying the us has always assimilated immigrants but you are suggesting that the us change the way it absorbs immigrants by elevating other languages besides english, my question is why would you expect the same level of assimilation as immigrants in the 20th century when you are changing the incentives to learn english

3) you and nobody in this thread have addressed the issue that a country needs a common language and common culture for social cohesion and governance

 

[theworldismine13]

you're right. I confused COMMON with OFFICIAL/MANDATED language. A common language doesn't say much. The common language on this board is english, that's why we have this convo.

We do have a common language. That addresses your reaching point. We DO NOT have an official language, nor do we need one.

i think we need a common language and a common culture, thats all ive said, that is a universal concept that applies to all countries and all societies

whether an official language exists or not has nothing to do with the point im making

 

[The Real]

i think we need a common language and a common culture, thats all ive said, that is a universal concept that applies to all countries and all societies

whether an official language exists or not has nothing to do with the point im making

So then why did you cite Canada as an example when Canada has a common language?

 

[theworldismine13]

So then why did you cite Canada as an example when Canada has a common language?

what is the common language of canada?

 

[Brown_Pride]

yeah sure, you can put it that way if you want, in 20th century immigration it was understood that immigrants to the us would eventually lose their language, im not aware of any reason to change that concept

ok so just so we're clear you're ok with the idea that we treated people like shyt in the past so we should treat people like shyt in the future? That's what i said and you said "yeah sure". You're going to go ahead and hold on to that argumentative point?

what you and tuh are advocating by bringing up the lack of an official language is that english need not be a common bond amongst americans and it need not be a defining characteristic of being american, its a free country you are entitled to that view

im simply saying 1) that does not mesh with what other people in the thread are saying, people are saying that everybody speaks english so whats the big deal but you are saying that not everybody speaks english and thats fine

I'm saying we HAVE a common language (english) by default, we don't NEED one and we sure as hell don't need an OFFICIAL language. A common language is a naturally occurring thing, and on that point i've always said 2-4 generations and immigrants tend to speak english as a primary language, even after things like ESL and all spanish speaking classes.

2) people are saying the us has always assimilated immigrants but you are suggesting that the us change the way it absorbs immigrants by elevating other languages besides english, my question is why would you expect the same level of assimilation as immigrants in the 20th century when you are changing the incentives to learn english

the incentive remains. People learn language for a lot of reason, right now the reason isn't really a reason so much as it is a by product of integration. My whole argument is that we let language do what language does and let things unfold naturally.

3) you and nobody in this thread have addressed the issue that a country needs a common language and common culture for social cohesion and governance

i have actually and i've said we have a COMMON language, we don't need an official language.

i think we need a common language and a common culture, thats all ive said, that is a universal concept that applies to all countries and all societies

whether an official language exists or not has nothing to do with the point im making

correlation does not imply causation. I'd argue that a common language isn't necessary, BUT, a common language(s) naturally works its way to the surface because of commerce. No need to force shyt.

 

[theworldismine13]

ok so just so we're clear you're ok with the idea that we treated people like shyt in the past so we should treat people like shyt in the future? That's what i said and you said "yeah sure". You're going to go ahead and hold on to that argumentative point?

if you call pushing immigrants away from their native language getting treated like shyt then yeah i think immigrants should get treated like shyt, i think its a good thing that german, italian, polish and dutch have pretty much disappeared in the us, if those other languages were still prevalent and people used them as a form of identification and there were treated the same as english then there would be decreased social cohesion and governance problems in the us, and i think it will be good if spanish goes the same route as those other european languages

the multicultural notion that we need to elevate other languages is a dumb idea

I'm saying we HAVE a common language (english) by default, we don't NEED one and we sure as hell don't need an OFFICIAL language. A common language is a naturally occurring thing, and on that point i've always said 2-4 generations and immigrants tend to speak english as a primary language, even after things like ESL and all spanish speaking classes.

we have a common language because its been an unwritten american policy for the past 100 years that all immigrants get english shoved down their throat and its been understood for 100 years that you will lose your language when you come to the us, it is not natural, the us absorption of many immigrants is peculiar

the incentive remains. People learn language for a lot of reason, right now the reason isn't really a reason so much as it is a by product of integration. My whole argument is that we let language do what language does and let things unfold naturally.

that's ridiculous, multicultural or bilingual polices reduce the incentive to learn english, to argue otherwise is absurd

you are doing what mowgli was trying to argue before, he is suggesting that you can get the same result by changing the policy, which makes no sense

i have actually and i've said we have a COMMON language, we don't need an official language.

yeah and im saying that common language is english and it should stay that way

correlation does not imply causation. I'd argue that a common language isn't necessary, BUT, a common language(s) naturally works its way to the surface because of commerce. No need to force shyt

yeah exactly you are saying a common language is not necessary in the united states, i strongly disagree with that

and actually in a non homogenous society its doubly necessary and you do need to force shyt, by forcing it that is how the united states has survived

 

[Swamp-Thing]

I respect people who can speak multiple languages and I feel more comfortable in a setting where I hear multiple languages being spoken around me.

 

[The Real]

what is the common language of canada?

The same two languages everyone learns in school.

 

[gho3st]

I respect people who can speak multiple languages and I feel more comfortable in a setting where I hear multiple languages being spoken around me.

languages you dont understand??

 

[theworldismine13]

The same two languages everyone learns in school.

oh i thought you said canada had a common language

in the common language of the us singularity and plurality are denoted differently, so you made an unclear statement, first you said canada had a common language, now you are saying it has common lanaguageS, which one is it?

 

[The Real]

oh i thought you said canada had a common language

in the common language of the us singularity and plurality are denoted differently, so you made an unclear statement, first you said canada had a common language, now you are saying it has common lanaguageS, which one is it?

Does it matter? Everyone learns more than one language, so both are common. And let's not distract from the original point- if this is about common and not official languages, then why did you bring up Canada at all?

 

[theworldismine13]

Does it matter? Everyone learns more than one language, so both are common. And let's not distract from the original point- if this is about common and not official languages, then why did you bring up Canada at all?

breh, i told you before to stop it and stop barking up that tree, you are headed to an intellectual dead end

my dear friend mowgli was kind enough to post an article regarding the language conflicts in Canada that backs up everything i said

did you read it?

 

[Crakface]

Lets get down to the nitty gritty. White people will want to separate when to many non whites encroach on their territory and require them to support them with tax dollars.

 

[theworldismine13]

Lets get down to the nitty gritty. White people will want to separate when to many non whites encroach on their territory and require them to support them with tax dollars.

so what is the solution to that? or is that even an actual problem?