If he is going this far right just to get the nomination, how much heart do you think he will have to push what are essentially liberal policies (decriminalization of drugs and sentencing reform)?
Rand Paul Is Not A Libertarian
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If he is going this far right just to get the nomination, how much heart do you think he will have to push what are essentially liberal policies (decriminalization of drugs and sentencing reform)?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
If hes going to compromise this much he might as well be a fukking full blown Bible Belt conservative.
If hes willing to do a complete philosophical 180 to pursue political ambitions, fukk him. The last thing we need is another politician who puts their career ahead of their convictions.
And these yellow back zero integrity clowns are who you want us to give our votes to unconditionally
Slow down buddy, here you go again with your typical retarded bullshyt, how the fuk do you go from me saying that black people should split our votes to me saying you should vote for anybody unconditionally, are you retarded? Im saying the opposite of giving your vote unconditionally
Second of all I've said I'm an independent, I never said I'm against the "Bible Belt conservative" don't confuse your political leanings with mine, I'm reading the article posted and the only position that bothers me is his abortion stance, the other positions I pretty much agree with or don't have a problem with
I wasn't aware that I'm suppose to be the defender of northeastern liberalism, or that liberalism is the golden standard to measure politicians with
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theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
If he is going this far right just to get the nomination, how much heart do you think he will have to push what are essentially liberal policies (decriminalization of drugs and sentencing reform)?
Decriminalization and drug sentencing reform are not liberal policies, the prison industrial complex and the drug war was created by both liberals and conservatives, including bill Clinton and joe biden
So your solution to the war on drugs is to vote for the wife of the man that created the prison industrial complex?
Aside from him saying he is for legalization of weed and claiming to be a non-interventionist, there are very few Libertarian qualities about Rand Paul.
That is why I had to laugh at some talking heads on the radio this morning saying some dumb shyt about how Libertarian voters will be torn between Paul and Ted Cruz.
Neither of those dudes are Libertarian.
That is why I had to laugh at some talking heads on the radio this morning saying some dumb shyt about how Libertarian voters will be torn between Paul and Ted Cruz.
Neither of those dudes are Libertarian.
Billy Hoyle
All Star
I have no idea how a minority could be a libertarian. 
Libertarianism gives wealth that much more power. You can pretty much do whatever the fukk you want if you have enough wealth in that system. Corporations would become the new government in that system and they sure as fukk don't care about the welfare of anything but their shareholders.
In actuality, no one's a fukking libertarian because it's a stupid ideology
. Most of the people who say they're libertarian are fiscal conservatives and social liberals. That doesn't make you a libertarian. That just means you're disenfranchised with the party you used to consider your own.
There are so many young white Republicans who claim to be libertarian because they're actually liberal and won't admit it to themselves. And vice versa with young black Democrats.
Libertarianism gives wealth that much more power. You can pretty much do whatever the fukk you want if you have enough wealth in that system. Corporations would become the new government in that system and they sure as fukk don't care about the welfare of anything but their shareholders.
In actuality, no one's a fukking libertarian because it's a stupid ideology
. Most of the people who say they're libertarian are fiscal conservatives and social liberals. That doesn't make you a libertarian. That just means you're disenfranchised with the party you used to consider your own.There are so many young white Republicans who claim to be libertarian because they're actually liberal and won't admit it to themselves. And vice versa with young black Democrats.
Decriminalization and drug sentencing reform are not liberal policies, the prison industrial complex and the drug war was created by both liberals and conservatives, including bill Clinton and joe biden
So your solution to the war on drugs is to vote for the wife of the man that created the prison industrial complex?
They fall on the liberal end of the spectrum even if they are positions held by Libertarians and Clinton's triangulation attempts not withstanding. The Republicans have always been known as the party of law and order. Hilary is not my candidate, i'm still hoping Elizabeth Warren runs.
superunknown23
Superstar
What principles? He always retreats when he gets exposed... The mask eventually falls off.
We saw how quickly he backed off after declaring his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964
We saw how quickly he backed off after declaring his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Hilary is not my candidate, i'm still hoping Elizabeth Warren runs.
but in the end you will end up voting for hillary, who is actually more of hawk than rand paul or obama, more of a wall street shill than obama, who will obviously continue the triangulation strategy, who spent half her time during the primaries of 08 pandering to poor racist white people and whose husband bill "obama should have been getting us coffee" clinton thought barry was to uppity and who im not even sure has ever said anything about the prison industrial complex or ending the drug war (but im sure we can trust her to do something about it cuz she is one of dem good white folk...............unless of course she gets attacked for being weak on crime....)
if anything this shows why its important for black people to split our votes, in a general election between rand and hillary, hillary wont be forced to go to extremes because she wont be attacked for being soft on crime and you have both parties trying to appeal to black people
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So wouldn't that just make him the equivalent of the establishment republican party.......
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
yeah, rand paul has shifted his positions to be more in line with mainstream repblicans...........and?
maybe im getting old and cynical, but im not expecting any pure candidate to come out of any party, its a given that the mainstream parties will make outsiders conform, the only issue is how much
superunknown23
Superstar
Cape for conservative cacs posing as "compassionate libertarians", breh
Also, it's funny how conservatives these days keep saying that "the system is broken", "both parties are the same", "both suck"... Yet after feigning disgust, they're always the first to cast their ballot for the GOP (religiously, year after year).
That tactic worked like a charm in the 2010 and 2014 midterms.
Too bad for them the turnout won't be 35 percent again next year
Also, it's funny how conservatives these days keep saying that "the system is broken", "both parties are the same", "both suck"... Yet after feigning disgust, they're always the first to cast their ballot for the GOP (religiously, year after year).
That tactic worked like a charm in the 2010 and 2014 midterms.
Too bad for them the turnout won't be 35 percent again next year
Didn't say that was a bad thing.
Against abortion.
Against gay marriage.
Against legalization of marijuana.
For increased defense spending.
No problem with the drone policy on foreign soil.
Supports imprisonment of people who listen to radical speeches.
Those aren't "compromises".
As the article points out those things are directly in opposition to libertarian ideology.
How exactly is he libertarian?
What a ridiculous comparison. When did Obama state or imply he was a socialist? And what policy did he support/introduce that was decidedly anti-black?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
and for the record, ive never said im a libertarian, and i never said im voting for rand paul becuase he's a libertarian
and ive never said im a liberal either, so that is not the measuring stick im using
i disgaree with his position on abortion, im ambivalent about gay mariage, i honestly dont give a fuk either way what happens with that issue, im for increasing defense spending, i have no problem with drones being used on foreign soil i think they should be used more, its not clear to me what exactly the whole radical speech thing is about
well the best example is jeremiah wright, now personally i didnt have a problem with anything jeremiah wright said and neither did most black people, but im aware enough that it would be silly to demand that obama stand by jeremiah wright or farakkhan or "pro black" people and then also say he should go for the nomination of a mainstream party, thats just one example
if you didnt realize the compromises and policy shifts obama made to get the nomination you are a very naive person
like obama, it was very obvious that rand would have to back off some of the things hes said in the past if he was going to go for the nomination, thats all i was saying
I get that, but it does call into question what exactly he's going to do once he gets into office. If he caters to the far right to get the nomination have to assume he's going to continue to do so once in office. Its hard to see what currently makes him different from the rest of the republican party and hoping he's just bullsh*ttin right now seems overly optimistic.
This strategy may get him the nomination, but unclear it will get him the independents he will need in a general election.
he just announced his candidacy and the first words out of his mouth were "we're taking on the establishment" (or something to that effect)
thats a big thing to say "and?" to