Rand Paul Is Not A Libertarian

[theworldismine13]

Fam, what about Rand Paul strikes you as ANY more reasonable of a human being than Hilary?

I mean hell, at least hilary aint focused on abusing human decency

how is rand paul focused on abusing human decency?

 

[Billy Hoyle]

well my main issues are immigration and school choice, i actually think rand is weak on immigration, but i think a hillary presdiency will continue this corny ass effort to flood the labor market and grant amnesty to 11 million people, and i think the public school system should be eliminated and replaced with charter schools and vouchers

and i also think focusing on capitalism, entrepreneurship is a better way forward for black people than promises of government programs and republicans are better for that

civil rights is really a derivative of individual freedom, so IMO rands focus on individual freedom is more fundamental and more important than hillarys (and the democratic parties) supposed stand for civil rights

so i think rand is more for the future than hillary is

splitting the vote will definetly increase black poltical power, because it will make the parties fight for the black vote

I agree with you on this point.

I think focusing on capitalism to improve a group who has less capital is not the right way to go about it. The game is rigged to benefit those who have the most capital.

There's a reason you chose to be a banker in the Oregon Trail instead of being a farmer.

 

[Robbie3000]

but in the end you will end up voting for hillary, who is actually more of hawk than rand paul or obama, more of a wall street shill than obama, who will obviously continue the triangulation strategy, who spent half her time during the primaries of 08 pandering to poor racist white people and whose husband bill "obama should have been getting us coffee" clinton thought barry was to uppity and who im not even sure has ever said anything about the prison industrial complex or ending the drug war (but im sure we can trust her to do something about it cuz she is one of dem good white folk...............unless of course she gets attacked for being weak on crime....)

if anything this shows why its important for black people to split our votes, in a general election between rand and hillary, hillary wont be forced to go to extremes because she wont be attacked for being soft on crime and you have both parties trying to appeal to black people

Hilary is not my candidate so I don't know why you want me to defend her. Frankly, I think she is a flawed candidate. Bill Clinton is not running either so stop bringing him up.

It's not our fault you fell for the Okey Doke and now you can't even defend your candidate.

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[theworldismine13]

Hilary is not my candidate so I don't know why you want me to defend her. Frankly, I think she is a flawed candidate. Bill Clinton is not running either so stop bringing him up.

It's not our fault you fell for the Okey Doke and now you can't even defend your candidate.

i dont need to defend rand, like i said from the beginning im not even sure what the outrage was about in the op, i agree or am ambivalent with most of the so called outrageous positions

 

[ghostwriterx]

well my main issues are immigration and school choice, i actually think rand is weak on immigration, but i think a hillary presdiency will continue this corny ass effort to flood the labor market and grant amnesty to 11 million people, and i think the public school system should be eliminated and replaced with charter schools and vouchers

Republicans need the Latino vote just as much as the dems do. Don't see how granting amnesty will flood the labor market since those 11 million people are already here and they're mostly in the low paying jobs that Repubs are quick to remind us are temporary/insignificant anyway.

and i also think focusing on capitalism, entrepreneurship is a better way forward for black people than promises of government programs and republicans are better for that

civil rights is really a derivative of individual freedom, so IMO rands focus on individual freedom is more fundamental and more important than hillarys (and the democratic parties) supposed stand for civil rights

so i think rand is more for the future than hillary is

splitting the vote will definetly increase black poltical power, because it will make the parties fight for the black vote

What will this entail? You seem to be down on social programs. What policies will directly affect black communities?

"entrepreneurship is a better way forward for black people" How does either party address this without govt. programs? Capitalism hasn't been really good to brown people historically.

 

[88m3]

i dont need to defend rand

Oh?

 

[theworldismine13]

Republicans need the Latino vote just as much as the dems do. Don't see how granting amnesty will flood the labor market since those 11 million people are already here and they're mostly in the low paying jobs that Repubs are quick to remind us are temporary/insignificant anyway.




What will this entail? You seem to be down on social programs. What policies will directly affect black communities?

"entrepreneurship is a better way forward for black people" How does either party address this without govt. programs? Capitalism hasn't been really good to brown people historically.

the issues in the black community have to with economics not politics, so i dont see poltics as the key i see capitalism as the key, but thats probably where we disagree

as far as amnesty, those low paying jobs are necessary for low skilled low wage workers in the black community and if you grant amnesty people will obviously not stay in the low paying job

 

[Billy Hoyle]

the issues in the black community have to with economics not politics, so i dont see poltics as the key i see capitalism as the key, but thats probably where we disagree

as far as amnesty, those low paying jobs are necessary for low skilled low wage workers in the black community and if you grant amnesty people will obviously not stay in the low paying job

Do you not see how politics play a part in economics? You think Capitalism is the key? Who the hell do you think has all the capital?

You honestly think deregulation is gonna be good for anyone but rich people? You think if he lowers their taxes they're gonna reinvest that in jobs, or sit on that money in a bank?

How about the people who live next to a factory? You think deregulation is gonna make their drinking water better? It's not like rich people are living next to a factory, they're on the fukking hill drinking champagne. So they don't really give a shyt. Thankfully government forces them to care.

 

[ghostwriterx]

the issues in the black community have to with economics not politics, so i dont see poltics as the key i see capitalism as the key, but thats probably where we disagree

Guess it depends on what you mean by "politics". I would imagine prison/industrial complex is a combination of both and inequities in drug sentencing/criminal justice in general would also fall under politics.

as far as amnesty, those low paying jobs are necessary for low skilled low wage workers in the black community

Why are they necessary? If these jobs aren't currently stepping stones to better opportunities for the black community I don't see how immigration is going to have any impact. Sees like education is a better path to economic independence than low skilled low wage jobs.

and if you grant amnesty people will obviously not stay in the low paying job

Why is that obvious?

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

 

[theworldismine13]

Guess it depends on what you mean by "politics". I would imagine prison/industrial complex is a combination of both and inequities in drug sentencing/criminal justice in general would also fall under politics.

the prison industrial complex started becuase of our weak economic position, thats the origins of that, we have to address the origins not just the consequences



as far as addressing prison and drug things, that is a reason to vote for rand, its not a reason to vote for hillary, rand is way more out there and in a much better position to address it than hillary

Why are they necessary? If these jobs aren't currently stepping stones to better opportunities for the black community I don't see how immigration is going to have any impact. Sees like education is a better path to economic independence than low skilled low wage jobs.

illegal immigration has an impact becuase they are more people looking for work and also becuase of the downward pressure on wages

education and low skilled jobs are both necessary to develop economies in the black community, they arent seperate things

Why is that obvious?

well to clarify, i m just talking about illegal immigration, not regular immigration, but illegal immigrants get stuck at low wage jobs becuase they dont have papers, if you grant amnesty and give them papers then obviously they would go for higher paying jobs, so granting amnesty would cause a flooding of the labor market, not to mention it would cause another wave of illegals to take the place of the ones that just got amnesty

so the question is why would black people support amnesty?

 

[theworldismine13]

Do you not see how politics play a part in economics? You think Capitalism is the key? Who the hell do you think has all the capital?

You honestly think deregulation is gonna be good for anyone but rich people? You think if he lowers their taxes they're gonna reinvest that in jobs, or sit on that money in a bank?

How about the people who live next to a factory? You think deregulation is gonna make their drinking water better? It's not like rich people are living next to a factory, they're on the fukking hill drinking champagne. So they don't really give a shyt. Thankfully government forces them to care.

exactly that is where we disagree, you dont see anyway that black people can gain capital, you see government as the key

but that is why hillary represents an intelelctual dead end, it continues this notion that the government is the key to black economic development

yeah i do think deregulation and lower taxes of black communities helps black business and black business should be the focus

property rights is what keeps companies from polluting, and property rights is at the core of what he is saying, so there is nothing that rand is saying that will allow somenot to pollute somebody else's property

 

[ghostwriterx]

illegal immigration has an impact becuase they are more people looking for work and also becuase of the downward pressure on wages

education and low skilled jobs are both necessary to develop economies in the black community, they arent seperate things

We're talking about migrant workers, day laborers, busboys etc. Black people aren't applying for those jobs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...consequences/2012/06/17/gJQA3Rm0jV_story.html

well to clarify, i m just talking about illegal immigration, not regular immigration, but illegal immigrants get stuck at low wage jobs becuase they dont have papers, if you grant amnesty and give them papers then obviously they would go for higher paying jobs, so granting amnesty would cause a flooding of the labor market, not to mention it would cause another wave of illegals to take the place of the ones that just got amnesty

so the question is why would black people be support amnesty?

Please, are they getting English classes and a college degree with this amnesty? Unskilled, uneducated laborers are not going to suddenly be promoted to higher paying jobs once they get amnesty.

 

[theworldismine13]

We're talking about migrant workers, day laborers, busboys etc. Black people aren't applying for those jobs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...consequences/2012/06/17/gJQA3Rm0jV_story.html

what is that article suppose to show? looks like business need to increase their wages to attract more legal employees, that article just proves why republicans are better when it comes to dealing with illegal immgration

Please, are they getting English classes and a college degree with this amnesty? Unskilled, uneducated laborers are not going to suddenly be promoted to higher paying jobs once they get amnesty.

im not sure why you are inserting the word "suddenly" but amnesty would allow an illegal alien to go to college and/or work their way up their same way anybody else does, what you will have is a flood of workers trying for new positions

 

[Billy Hoyle]

exactly that is where we disagree, you dont see anyway that black people can gain capital, you see government as the key

but that is why hillary represents an intelelctual dead end, it continues this notion that the government is the key to black economic development

yeah i do think deregulation and lower taxes of black communities helps black business and black business should be the focus

property rights is what keeps companies from polluting, and property rights is at the core of what he is saying, so there is nothing that rand is saying that will allow somenot to pollute somebody else's property

Tell me how poor people can magically gain capital over a time period that isn't decades-centuries.

Black businesses are competing against massive corporations. Tax cuts aren't automatically making them competitive when the corporations are getting the exact same tax cuts. All tax cuts do is take money out of the community. I'd love to believe in this fairy tale that tax cuts = job growth but time and time again it's been proven not to be true. They just take the money and put it in the bank.

And on your last point, rivers and underground water reservoirs don't give a fukk about manmade property lines. Not to mention the air.