What significance does "discussing" have
What tangible progress in dismantling the PIC does Rand Paul have to show for himself?
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What tangible progress in dismantling the PIC does Rand Paul have to show for himself?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
a republican discussing the prison industrial complex is very significant because it changes the issue from a partisan issue into a bipartisan issue http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/rand-paul-cory-booker-team-bipartisan-reform-criminal-justice-system/
but since we are on the subject, what has hillary done or said as far as the prison industrial complex, has she asked for forgiveness for her husband being part of the creation of the prison industrial complex?
It hasnt changed the issue at all, neither Dems nor Republicans give a shyt about the PIC aside from it being another political lever to profit from
And I dont know or care what Hillary has done WRT PIC, nor will I jump for your strawman suggestion that I claimed/implied she is stronger on that issue than Rand Paul. That u have to jump to such cheap deflections speaks to the weakness in your position... what the fukk does Hillary Clinton have to do with Rand Paul's complete philosophical 180?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
A policy intended to improve the economy has the opposite effect. Your reaction is
Let's do it again on a larger scale.
yeah because that isnt the proper way to grow the economy, by bringing in cheap labor you grow the economy but you increase inequality and depress wages
i dont even remember bring it up, if i did my bad, illegal immigrants in college is just a consequence of illegal immigrants in the general population, so its just an after effect, its not the real problem, the real problem is the presence of illegal immigrants
my point is that the presences of those workers represent downward wage pressure in the labor market, and if you grant amnesty all it does is it open up the labor market even more and create more downward pressure
you dont have to have mass deportation but you can have increased deportation and increased enforcement
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
To Rand Paul, Abortion Access For Rape Victims Isn’t Worth Talking About
BY TARA CULP-RESSLER
POSTED ON APRIL 8, 2015 AT 2:23 PM UPDATED: APRIL 8, 2015 AT 3:55 PM
CREDIT: AP PHOTO / CHARLIE NEIBERGALL
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who announced his candidacy for the presidency this week, isn’t willing to clarify whether he believes there are any circumstances under which women should be allowed to legally obtain an abortion.
When the Associated Press pressed the GOP contender about “where, in his view, a pregnant woman’s rights begin and those of the fetus end,” Paul would not answer the question. He did not say whether a total abortion ban should include any exceptions for extreme cases, like women who do not wish to continue a pregnancy that resulted from sexual violence.
“The thing is about abortion — and about a lot of things — is that I think people get tied up in all these details of, sort of, you’re this or this or that, or you’re hard and fast (on) one thing or the other,” Paul told the AP.
Federal precedent for national abortion restrictions — such as the widespread restrictions that prohibit taxpayer dollars from funding abortions — allow for narrow exceptions for women who become pregnant from rape and incest, as well as for women whose lives will be placed in danger by continuing a pregnancy. GOP candidates for president have historically supported similar exceptions.
On his campaign website, Paul declares “that life begins at conception and that abortion takes the life of an innocent human being.” During his time in Congress, the Kentucky senator has co-sponsored a total abortion ban, the Life at Conception Act, that would officially enshrine this position into law. Although reproductive rights advocates warn that type of legislation would also outlaw some forms of contraception, Paul has maintained that he’s not against birth control.
Two years ago, in an interview with CNN, Paul struggled to answer the same question. Asked to clarify whether his proposed Life at Conception Act would include any exceptions, Paul responded, “I don’t know if there’s a simple way to put me in a category on any of that.” He went on to acknowledge that there are “thousands of extraneous situations where the life of the mother is involved and other things that are involved” and “I would say that each individual case would have to be addressed.”
Clarifying whether abortion restrictions should include any exceptions for rape, incest, or life endangerment has become a politically difficult spot for Republicans. Major pro-life advocacy groups pressure lawmakers to take a hard-line stance on abortion that doesn’t allow for any “loopholes,” which they say can be too easily manipulated by women who may lie about being raped. However, the vast majority of Americans support abortion access for rape victims, and Democrats are quick to construe their GOP colleagues as callous when they craft policies that would force those women to carry their pregnancies to term.
At the beginning of this year, abortion opponents suffered a setback when Republicanscanceled a vote on a proposed 20-week abortion ban because of infighting about the bill’s rape exception. Many of the GOP congresswomen who withdrew their support from that measure said they were worried that such a narrow exception would alienate young female voters. The conflict was widely described as “embarrassing” for the party, and right-wing activists said they felt betrayed.
According to the Associated Press, Paul “got testy” when he was asked to further clarify his stance on this topic. “I think the most important thing is the general concept of: Do you support the sanctity of life?” he said. “I’ve supported both bills with and without (exceptions), you know. In general, I am pro-life. So I will support legislation that advances and shows that life is special and deserves protection.”
Although Paul is often referred to as a staunch libertarian, his positions on reproductive rights don’t align with the Libertarian Party — whose official platform states that “we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”
Paul has rebuffed arguments that a wave of state-level abortion restrictions have compromised women’s personal liberty. Last year, the Republican lawmaker declared, “If there was a war on women, I think they won…The women in my family are doing great.”
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/04/08/3644523/rand-paul-abortion-exceptions/
BY TARA CULP-RESSLER
POSTED ON APRIL 8, 2015 AT 2:23 PM UPDATED: APRIL 8, 2015 AT 3:55 PM
CREDIT: AP PHOTO / CHARLIE NEIBERGALL
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who announced his candidacy for the presidency this week, isn’t willing to clarify whether he believes there are any circumstances under which women should be allowed to legally obtain an abortion.
When the Associated Press pressed the GOP contender about “where, in his view, a pregnant woman’s rights begin and those of the fetus end,” Paul would not answer the question. He did not say whether a total abortion ban should include any exceptions for extreme cases, like women who do not wish to continue a pregnancy that resulted from sexual violence.
“The thing is about abortion — and about a lot of things — is that I think people get tied up in all these details of, sort of, you’re this or this or that, or you’re hard and fast (on) one thing or the other,” Paul told the AP.
Federal precedent for national abortion restrictions — such as the widespread restrictions that prohibit taxpayer dollars from funding abortions — allow for narrow exceptions for women who become pregnant from rape and incest, as well as for women whose lives will be placed in danger by continuing a pregnancy. GOP candidates for president have historically supported similar exceptions.
On his campaign website, Paul declares “that life begins at conception and that abortion takes the life of an innocent human being.” During his time in Congress, the Kentucky senator has co-sponsored a total abortion ban, the Life at Conception Act, that would officially enshrine this position into law. Although reproductive rights advocates warn that type of legislation would also outlaw some forms of contraception, Paul has maintained that he’s not against birth control.
Two years ago, in an interview with CNN, Paul struggled to answer the same question. Asked to clarify whether his proposed Life at Conception Act would include any exceptions, Paul responded, “I don’t know if there’s a simple way to put me in a category on any of that.” He went on to acknowledge that there are “thousands of extraneous situations where the life of the mother is involved and other things that are involved” and “I would say that each individual case would have to be addressed.”
Clarifying whether abortion restrictions should include any exceptions for rape, incest, or life endangerment has become a politically difficult spot for Republicans. Major pro-life advocacy groups pressure lawmakers to take a hard-line stance on abortion that doesn’t allow for any “loopholes,” which they say can be too easily manipulated by women who may lie about being raped. However, the vast majority of Americans support abortion access for rape victims, and Democrats are quick to construe their GOP colleagues as callous when they craft policies that would force those women to carry their pregnancies to term.
At the beginning of this year, abortion opponents suffered a setback when Republicanscanceled a vote on a proposed 20-week abortion ban because of infighting about the bill’s rape exception. Many of the GOP congresswomen who withdrew their support from that measure said they were worried that such a narrow exception would alienate young female voters. The conflict was widely described as “embarrassing” for the party, and right-wing activists said they felt betrayed.
According to the Associated Press, Paul “got testy” when he was asked to further clarify his stance on this topic. “I think the most important thing is the general concept of: Do you support the sanctity of life?” he said. “I’ve supported both bills with and without (exceptions), you know. In general, I am pro-life. So I will support legislation that advances and shows that life is special and deserves protection.”
Although Paul is often referred to as a staunch libertarian, his positions on reproductive rights don’t align with the Libertarian Party — whose official platform states that “we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”
Paul has rebuffed arguments that a wave of state-level abortion restrictions have compromised women’s personal liberty. Last year, the Republican lawmaker declared, “If there was a war on women, I think they won…The women in my family are doing great.”
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/04/08/3644523/rand-paul-abortion-exceptions/
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Rand Paul concedes he will cut Medicare and Social Security to pay for tax cuts
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October 4, 20108:15 AM MST
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Touching on notes of diversity and opportunity, Sen. Rand Paul (R., KY.) launched his campaign for president in 2016.
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Rand Paul (R-KY) is testing the limits of what a candidate can advocate while still being elected. Yesterday on “Fox News Sunday”, Paul admitted that he would eventually have to raise the retirement age for Social Security, and reduce benefits for Medicare in order to pay for the Bush tax cuts (video to the left). While Paul was very vague about what kind of cuts he would make, the admission by itself is important. In previous elections, Social Security and Medicare have been considered the “third rail” of politics. Politicians who merely talked about making cuts to the popular programs many times found themselves “dead” on election day.
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Paul conceded he would have to cut Social Security and Medicare in order to pay for an extension of the Bush tax cuts. As Chris Wallace noted, a full extension of the Bush tax cuts, which Paul advocates for, would reduce the federal revenues by about $4 trillion over the next ten years. The government would either need to add that $4 trillion to national debt, or make some serious cuts to entitlement programs to offset the loss revenue. In his initial answer Paul tries to simply say he will “reduce spending”, but to his credit host Chris Wallace challenges him, saying that government would need to cut entitlement programs to reduce spending that much. It is at this time that Paul agrees he would need to raise the retirement age and cut Medicare benefits as well. Paul’s opponent, Jack Conway, says he would reduce Medicare fraud and close tax loopholes to help pay for the Bush tax cuts. In fairness to Paul, Conway’s cuts would also not completely offset the costs of the extending the tax cuts.
Conway made a courageous move in agreeing to debate Paul on the Republican-friendly Fox News network. Polls (seen on the left) have shown Conway consistently trailing Paul by a small margin. In the past Paul has made a number of mistakes when interviewing before the national media. It is possible that Conway agreed to the debate hoping to get Paul to make one more embarrassing statement on camera. It has yet to be seen whether Paul’s statements on Medicare and Social Security will hurt him with Kentucky voters this November.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ran...icare-and-social-security-to-pay-for-tax-cuts
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Next: Dana Rohrabacher claims that the former President of Ukraine was assassinated
October 4, 20108:15 AM MST
Play
Touching on notes of diversity and opportunity, Sen. Rand Paul (R., KY.) launched his campaign for president in 2016.
on.aol.com
Rand Paul (R-KY) is testing the limits of what a candidate can advocate while still being elected. Yesterday on “Fox News Sunday”, Paul admitted that he would eventually have to raise the retirement age for Social Security, and reduce benefits for Medicare in order to pay for the Bush tax cuts (video to the left). While Paul was very vague about what kind of cuts he would make, the admission by itself is important. In previous elections, Social Security and Medicare have been considered the “third rail” of politics. Politicians who merely talked about making cuts to the popular programs many times found themselves “dead” on election day.
AP Photo
Paul conceded he would have to cut Social Security and Medicare in order to pay for an extension of the Bush tax cuts. As Chris Wallace noted, a full extension of the Bush tax cuts, which Paul advocates for, would reduce the federal revenues by about $4 trillion over the next ten years. The government would either need to add that $4 trillion to national debt, or make some serious cuts to entitlement programs to offset the loss revenue. In his initial answer Paul tries to simply say he will “reduce spending”, but to his credit host Chris Wallace challenges him, saying that government would need to cut entitlement programs to reduce spending that much. It is at this time that Paul agrees he would need to raise the retirement age and cut Medicare benefits as well. Paul’s opponent, Jack Conway, says he would reduce Medicare fraud and close tax loopholes to help pay for the Bush tax cuts. In fairness to Paul, Conway’s cuts would also not completely offset the costs of the extending the tax cuts.
Conway made a courageous move in agreeing to debate Paul on the Republican-friendly Fox News network. Polls (seen on the left) have shown Conway consistently trailing Paul by a small margin. In the past Paul has made a number of mistakes when interviewing before the national media. It is possible that Conway agreed to the debate hoping to get Paul to make one more embarrassing statement on camera. It has yet to be seen whether Paul’s statements on Medicare and Social Security will hurt him with Kentucky voters this November.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ran...icare-and-social-security-to-pay-for-tax-cuts
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
you motherfukers aint riding with hillary i see
you seem very disheartened, i thought democrats cared about black people
but anyways, i disagree, i think the conversation has changed
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/a-re...ountrys-most-successful-prison-reform.306546/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/rand...rs-are-having-a-nixon-in-china-moment.305507/
if anything the issue of prison industrial complex is a good example of why black people should split our votes and engage with both parties
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theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
that's one of the dumbest things i've ever read.
why on earth would that be dumb? if members of different parties are discussing an issue its easier to get things passed
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
a discussion doesn't equate to legislation, a vote or any tangible action. that should be obvious to you since we're having a discussion about Rand Paul being a wolf in sheep's clothing, yet it's having no affect on your misinformed opinion of him.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i didnt say a discussion equated to legislation, my point was that a discussion between parties makes it easier to pass legislation
im not sure why that is dumb, its just an obvious statement
WHEN it becomes obvious that prison reform does not resonate with Rand Paul's new base, he will reverse positions faster than you will run behind "intellectual freedom" when corneredyou motherfukers aint riding with hillary i see
you seem very disheartened, i thought democrats cared about black people
but anyways, i disagree, i think the conversation has changed
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/a-re...ountrys-most-successful-prison-reform.306546/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/rand...rs-are-having-a-nixon-in-china-moment.305507/
if anything the issue of prison industrial complex is a good example of why black people should split our votes and engage with both parties
Rust/bible belt Republicans in economic decline take great comfort in the idea that the justice system is unfair towards blacks.... Rand is not going to do anything to counter that if it comes between him and the nomination, I dont care how much money the Koch Bros are throwing behind it
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The Power Circle
maybe you should remind Congress of that.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
thank you kemo sabe
but i never claimed any politician cared about the issue, my overall point is that black people need to take control and manipulate the system
but anyways, you asked my what has rand paul down about the issue, i answered the question
is there something else i can help you with?