Random NBA Observations 2016 - 2017

[NoMorePie]

Had Kawhi not run like God for a 10 game stretch where he basically singledhandedly saved them from losing 3 straight games (pelicans/twolves/rockets) the general public would be viewing this team a lot differently.

I personally don't think they're that good. This is really who they are and just like we did last year we're going to see it in the playoffs (of course Durant being hurt throws a wrench in that).

Parker is trash
Aldridge fukks up the flow, David Lee starting provides more spursy like ball movement
Danny Green my nikka i will never talk trash about him

I can't wait for next season when Parker starts coming off the bench.

But y'all can't forget that half our roster consists of new faces, so... We tryna gel 6-7 new guys in a system and win a championship

Been saying it all season: Spurs are frauds

Their guard play is

Parker still thinks he can play like its 2007 and Danny Green is the literal definition of ICY-HOT like i said i can't wait for parker to get benched next year

 

[KOBE]

You mean to tell me you don't know what the fukk you're talking about, because that was the season that Durant only played 27 games and OKC had lineups that consisted of: Ibaka, Roberson (a worse version of himself now), Collison, Perkins, Adams (a worse version of himself now), and bum ass Waiters. The same OKC who had a worse win percentage in '14/'15 than this season, the same OKC who didn't even make the playoffs.

Nah. Nice try though.

27 games is better than none.

But I'll concede that, Westbrook did have worse teammates. That explains why he had to average more fast break points by himself than he had to this year. Meaning that the rebound stuff is still irrelevant to this discussion as you're only showing how many he was averaging for himself, not how many points per fastbreak he managed to produce(for himself and others).

This doesn't even make any sense, especially since you just said he had better teammates in '14/'15.

Nah. Nice try though.

Again you're right, him having better teammates means he can now count on others to score in transition after he grabs the board.

 

[Cynic]

whoever this euro cac is on the nuggets is


Jameer Nelson still in the league ?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I don't know he produces a lot of assists off his transition opportunities as well though.

OKC had 17.0 fastbreak points in '14/'15 (8.2 of those points were Westbrook's)
OKC has 17.2 fastbreak points in '16'17 (6.9 of those points are Westbrook's)

He's grabbing 40% more defensive rebounds this season (compared to '14/'15), yet he's scoring less FBP and the team is scoring almost identical fastbreak points. If he's grabbing all these extra defensive rebounds to run the fast break, why isn't it translating into more points? It's because Westbrook doesn't need to grab the DREB to run the break. No player ever has. And no player ever will.

Hard to gauge whether Westbrook stat padding his boards helps OKC's offense any more than a big grabbing it and just quickly flipping it to him.

It's easy to gauge.

Moving towards the basket at the other end in stride while receiving a close quarters pass or long distance pass is better than moving towards the basket you're defending, grabbing a rebound and coming to a complete stop and then moving in the opposite direction. You can get down the floor faster with the first action, rather than the latter - which is why you don't need to grab he DREB to run the break. Nash is one of the greatest fastbreak players EVER, yet he barely averaged 2-3 DREB a game.

This is all without mentioning that Westbrook doesn't run the break every single time he grabs an uncontested rebound, because that's exactly what an uncontested rebound is - uncontested. Meaning the opposition isn't anywhere near x-player grabbing the rebound, because they're down the other end of the floor setting up their defense.

 

[Derek Lee]

Barton

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

27 games is better than none.

But I'll concede that, Westbrook did have worse teammates. That explains why he had to average more fast break points by himself than he had to this year. Meaning that the rebound stuff is still irrelevant to this discussion as you're only showing how many he was averaging for himself, not how many points per fastbreak he managed to produce(for himself and others).



Again you're right, him having better teammates means he can now count on others to score in transition after he grabs the board.

As I said above -

OKC had 17.0 fastbreak points in '14/'15 (8.2 of those points were Westbrook's)
OKC has 17.2 fastbreak points in '16'17 (6.9 of those points are Westbrook's)

He's grabbing 40% more defensive rebounds this season (compared to '14/'15), yet he's scoring less FBP and the team is scoring almost identical fastbreak points. If he's grabbing all these extra defensive rebounds to run the fast break, why isn't it translating into more points? It's because Westbrook doesn't need to grab the DREB to run the break. No player ever has. And no player ever will.

Moving towards the basket at the other end in stride while receiving a close quarters pass or long distance pass is better than moving towards the basket you're defending, grabbing a rebound and coming to a complete stop and then moving in the opposite direction. You can get down the floor faster with the first action, rather than the latter - which is why you don't need to grab he DREB to run the break. Nash is one of the greatest fastbreak players EVER, yet he barely averaged 2-3 DREB a game.

This is all without mentioning that Westbrook doesn't run the break every single time he grabs an uncontested rebound, because that's exactly what an uncontested rebound is - uncontested. Meaning the opposition isn't anywhere near the x-player grabbing the rebound and down the other end of the floor setting up their defense.

 

[DoubleJ13]

That was some kind of 4th quarter from the Nuggets. Missed all kinds of FTs & drawing up closing plays for Barton

 

[KOBE]

As I said above -

OKC had 17.0 fastbreak points in '14/'15 (8.2 of those points were Westbrook's)
OKC has 17.2 fastbreak points in '16'17 (6.9 of those points are Westbrook's)

He's grabbing 40% more defensive rebounds this season (compared to '14/'15), yet he's scoring less FBP and the team is scoring almost identical fastbreak points. If he's grabbing all these extra defensive rebounds to run the fast break, why isn't it translating into more points? It's safe to say Westbrook doesn't need to grab the DREB to run the break. No player ever has. And no player ever will.

Context is key though, right?

To accurately gauge OKC's fastbreak numbers in 14/15 we would have to remove all of Durant's contributions to those numbers as we know he played a factor. You would also have to determine the amount of defensive boards he was getting without Durant as I'm sure it's higher than it was with Durant. We also gotta know how many fastbreak points are coming from a defensive board vs. turnovers in both scenarios.

There's lots of missing blanks here, can't come to satisfactory conclusion. But if we do want to talk about stats without context, we could always look at the Thunder's win/loss record when he grabs more uncontested rebounds vs. when he doesn't.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Context is key though, right?

To accurately gauge OKC's fastbreak numbers in 14/15 we would have to remove all of Durant's contributions to those numbers as we know he played a factor. You would also have to determine the amount of defensive boards he was getting without Durant as I'm sure it's higher than it was with Durant. We also gotta know how many fastbreak points are coming from a defensive board vs. turnovers in both scenarios.

There's lots of missing blanks here, can't come to satisfactory conclusion.

Stop it. I see what you're trying to do and it won't work on me. We don't need to focus on minutiae to come to the conclusion that Westbrook doesn't need to grab the rebound to run the break. Past all the stats and the i-action and follow on of grabbing an uncontested rebound, basic common sense and general understanding of the game states so. The point is this - those uncontested rebounds have little to no impact on the game (even YOU can admit this), which is why we need to stop talking about him averaging a triple double and start discussing the plays/activity of his that actually do have genuine impact on the game; impact that is leading to OKC winning games. If he only averaged 6-7 rebounds per game, and therefore not averaging a triple double - OKC would still have the same win-rate, if not better.

 

[Kovu]

Been saying it all season: Spurs are frauds

Their guard play is

Never under estimate Goatpovich

 

[Malta]

I mean he is and was a project+he's still 21. People just don't want to give projects time anymore because the concept either comes off outdated to them or they're impatient.

It's why people have already given up on Exum. Some guys take a few years to get going. It's possible they never get going, but you still need time to come to that conclusion.

He was a project in the sense that his body wasn't developed yet, he has a nice skillset and is able to put the ball on the floor and his body is starting to fill out. He's going to get more confident, and putting him next to Nurkic who commands attention has really helped him.

Exum been dunking on people lately, he's starting to get stronger and more confident going to the rim, the first step is back too

 

[duckbutta]

Don't underestimate that 3&D

You obviously haven't seen him play this year...

There is no D...his defense has been average at best...

There is no 3...he doesn't even make 2 a game...

He doesn't make 1 two point shot a game...

He doesn't ATTEMPT 1 free throw a game...

Can't dribble...can't pass...can't shoot...and when he does shoot he doesn't make enough of them to matter...

You aint winning shyt in the nba with a 2 guard playing half the game and averaging less than 10...

Be a starting nba 2 guard and make 3 shots a game brehs...

 

[3rd Koast Kang]

That race for 4-7 in the west

OKC peaking at the right time

I want memphis to stay at 7 though

 

[madness]

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

@tremonthustler1 have you noticed? Noah Vonleh is starting to play well That trade for Big Nurk seems to have helped him a lot.

I believed in dude alot when he got drafted out of Indiana.

He finally showing signs