Random NBA Observations 2016 - 2017

[LurkMoar]

one of the softest calls i have ever seen in my life, with the game on the line tho?

 

[Conscious Pilot]

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Rubio flat out doesn't have the athleticism of J Kidd to break down defenses as consistently as well as Kidd's ability to go grab a rebound and start his own break on occasion. .I think Rondo pre knee injury was looking like a superstar in part because it was so hard to keep him out of the lane. Plus Kidd was an exceptionally smart player so he'd figure out how to make teams pay for going under screens. I really am shocked that it's a conversation that Lowry is better than Kidd even with me being a huge Lowry fan.

How can it possibly be shocking? Sounds like to me you're putting far too much stock into your memories of Kidd rather than what his actual value and impact was.

Kidd to me was one of those rare players where the stats just don't tell the story of what he brought to teams. It's a cop out but I just think his ability to run a team, intelligence, defense, mastering pace and being able to elevate the players on his team goes way further than stats.

Of course it's a cop out. Not only is it insinuating that Lowry doesn't possess any of these intangibles and PGs alike (which if you are as big of a Lowry fan as you say you are, you'd see he possesses them too), but it's insinuating that this 'stats don't tell the full story' rhetoric actually should be taken in place of what any stat or piece of data that reflects reality tells us -- even stats that show he wasn't as great at running an offense as most think he was.

it really isn't. As in Lowry's last 2 seasons have been very good (and this season his shooting is almost last year Steph from 3). But I hope no one is talking career wise Lowry > Kidd,

Of course not. And that's why A LOT of dudes are misconstruing what's been said. They're too stuck in their ways to see that position was NEVER put forward on the first place. It's always been simply about peak v peak.

 

[agpxknt]

fukk boston
And i still dont know where the fukk travis scott came from

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

All 30 NBA logos reimagined for black history month

Some of these would be dope as jerseys. And some of them shouldn't see the light of day.

 

[threattonature]

How can it possibly be shocking? Sounds like to me you're putting far too much stock into your memories of Kidd rather than what his actual value and impact was.

Of course it's a cop out. Not only is it insinuating that Lowry doesn't possess any of these intangibles and PGs alike (which if you are as big of a Lowry fan as you say you are, you'd see he possesses them too), but it's insinuating that this 'stats don't tell the full story' rhetoric actually should be taken in place of what any stat or piece of data that reflects reality tells us -- even stats that show he wasn't as great at running an offense as most think he was.

Of course not. And that's why A LOT of dudes are misconstruing what's been said. They're too stuck in their ways to see that position was NEVER put forward on the first place. It's always been simply about peak v peak.

Using team offensive stats to measure an individual's impact on an offense is foolish. What top level talent did Kidd ever play with. His first couple in Dallas he had Mashburn and Jimmy Jackson but they were all very inexperienced. During his Phoenix years who was his best player? Gugliotta or post-injury Mcdyess? His couple years with Vince was his only time playing with another bonafide scorer during his prime yet somehow all of his teams won. Dude was a leader plain and simple.

One of Lowry's biggest knocks over the years was that he would piss teammates off. Everybody knew the talent was there but he was always considered to have an attitude. He admits it himself. I love Lowry's fighting spirit but he also can be a hot head that loses his composure at times. Also can't forget the loosened rules that favor point guards so doing a basic stats comparison is ridiculous. Imagine a prime Kidd where you can't put hands on him.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[FTBS]

Kenny Smith shytting all over the "back in my day" bullshyt (that is ironically propagated by 20 year olds) on FT right now.

 

[Miggs]

Using team offensive stats to measure an individual's impact on an offense is foolish. What top level talent did Kidd ever play with. His first couple in Dallas he had Mashburn and Jimmy Jackson but they were all very inexperienced. During his Phoenix years who was his best player? Gugliotta or post-injury Mcdyess? His couple years with Vince was his only time playing with another bonafide scorer during his prime yet somehow all of his teams won. Dude was a leader plain and simple.

One of Lowry's biggest knocks over the years was that he would piss teammates off. Everybody knew the talent was there but he was always considered to have an attitude. He admits it himself. I love Lowry's fighting spirit but he also can be a hot head that loses his composure at times. Also can't forget the loosened rules that favor point guards so doing a basic stats comparison is ridiculous. Imagine a prime Kidd where you can't put hands on him.

Nah the narrative is he didnt get along with coaches and that pretty much been put to bed now that hes an all star....Hes given a very bad coach credibility the last few years....

 

[LV Koopa]

Using team offensive stats to measure an individual's impact on an offense is foolish. What top level talent did Kidd ever play with. His first couple in Dallas he had Mashburn and Jimmy Jackson but they were all very inexperienced. During his Phoenix years who was his best player? Gugliotta or post-injury Mcdyess? His couple years with Vince was his only time playing with another bonafide scorer during his prime yet somehow all of his teams won. Dude was a leader plain and simple.

One of Lowry's biggest knocks over the years was that he would piss teammates off. Everybody knew the talent was there but he was always considered to have an attitude. He admits it himself. I love Lowry's fighting spirit but he also can be a hot head that loses his composure at times. Also can't forget the loosened rules that favor point guards so doing a basic stats comparison is ridiculous. Imagine a prime Kidd where you can't put hands on him.

Pointless because Kidd isn't in the same league of scoring as Lowry. Forget the shooting - Kidd wasn't even that great at getting into the paint and converting. He's an all time great passer and good at running an offense, but his strengths were definitely not in the scoring department.

 

[Primetime21]

Been waiting on the coli to call out this chump

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ets-talk-pacers-paul-george-problem/98018218/

Meanwhile, Paul George is just right. He’s not merely a potential power forward — he’s the prototype in today’s smaller, sleeker NBA that demands a combination of size, skill and speed from that slot. Paul George has all three.

But he won’t play the four.

George refused to do it last season, complicating Larry Bird’s offseason remake of what had been one of the league’s bigger, slower lineups. And McMillan indicated before Thursday’s game that George has declined to do it this season even now, with the Pacers missing two power forwards. This is what McMillan told me when I asked him Thursday: Any thought, on an emergency basis, of putting Paul at the four?

“We’ve tried that, but Paul is …” McMillan said, then paused, unsure how to finish that sentence. Paul is … what?

McMillan tried again.

“Um, we’ve tried that some — but no,” he said. “I wish it was that easy, and it really should be, but it’s not.”

It really should be that easy? Man, that’s as close as you’ve ever heard any of George’s bosses — McMillan, Bird, former coach Frank Vogel — say what’s on everyone’s mind:

Paul George is putting himself ahead of the team.

George says otherwise, of course. When I asked him Thursday night if he’d play the four, he said he would. Maybe.

“It might get to that point of trying to stretch the floor,” he said, “trying to speed us up, try to bring something different, something new to this team.”

Those are George’s words about playing power forward. These are McMillan’s: “That’s something he doesn’t want to do.”

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Meh I've said it a few times in this thread. George shoots way too many jumpers thats all his game is about. Indiana doesn't have any players that like to play in the paint outside of maybe Thad and Monte. Myles Turner is just now starting to roll to the basket in these games. Homie wanted no part of the paint earlier this season.

Indy is 21 in points in the paint,26th in points from 3, and 25th in fastbreak points. However they 8th in points off 2 point shots. The team takes on its best players identity...George Paul been chucking up contested mid range jumpers for his entire career.

 

[threattonature]

Pointless because Kidd isn't in the same league of scoring as Lowry. Forget the shooting - Kidd wasn't even that great at getting into the paint and converting. He's an all time great passer and good at running an offense, but his strengths were definitely not in the scoring department.

He doesn't have to score. Kidd's strength in the half court was getting into the lane breaking down a defense and finding the open man. The drive and kick league the NBA is now would be perfect for him.

 

[Malta]

"JOEL EMBIID DOESN'T LOOK 7 FEET TALL" - @Sccit

 

[Malta]

Been waiting on the coli to call out this chump

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ets-talk-pacers-paul-george-problem/98018218/

I don't think he's strong enough to play the 4, it would take very specific teams for him to get away with it against.