Random NBA Observations 2017 - 2018

Mike_Pipeson

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Nonsense. They have the toughest schedule left of the remaining playoff teams (12 of their 17 games against playoff teams; two against playoff contenders Utah and LAC)
This is exactly why I said they are almost guaranteed not to make it unless they get Kawhi back within the next two games.
 

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Haters want Lebron to be team counselor and life coach now too. :mjlol:

What would the sit-down have been? "I know you have your dreams of being the man and leading your own team, but I'm sorry, I need you to keep deferring to me for now because face it, I'm still better." :mjgrin:

He left 30+ million on the table when he was traded. Trust that it wasn’t just about “being the man” there were lots of other factors that led to it. Lebron had the opportunity to try to mend the fences when things were blowing up and he sat back and did nothing. And as the leader and the “big brother” that’s on him

He needed Kyrie if he wanted to keep on chasing that ghost.
 

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He left 30+ million on the table when he was traded. Trust that it wasn’t just about “being the man” there were lots of other factors that led to it. Lebron had the opportunity to try to mend the fences when things were blowing up and he sat back and did nothing. And as the leader and the “big brother” that’s on him

He needed Kyrie if he wanted to keep on chasing that ghost.

That money was never on the table. He would only have gotten the supermax if he made the All-NBA team in his final contract year or two of the last three. Kyrie's only made one All-NBA team in his life and that was a 3rd-team selection back in 2015. It was more likely than not something that wasn't going to happen yet again this year.

Why a trade probably won’t alone cost Kyrie Irving a super-max extension

By going to Boston this year, Kyrie is eligible for more money in his next contract deal than he would have been if he waited and signed as a free agent.

And Lebron never wanted Kyrie to leave - that much has been made obvious. What I'm laughing at is the idea that Lebron like Kyrie's daddy and could have told him whether to stay or not. Kyrie don't even believe authority figures when they say the world is round, absolutely nothing Lebron could have said was going to change Kyrie's mind.
 

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This nikka finally exercised some demons, the reaction to playing well against Embiid says JoJo in his head :mjlol:

Good game tonight, he won the battle but the war been over.

Post the stats for the three games they played against each other this year. Let's compare and see how the war played out.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Post the stats for the three games they played against each other this year. Let's compare and see how the war played out.


The war is done, one is an all-star and widely acknowledged as the best C in the league while the other is losing playing time to a rookie and only gets up for games against a dude younger than himself. Where is this Whiteside when it's not Joel? :mjlol:

Is your point that Whiteside is better than Embiid, if he's not the war been over, if you think he is then you out your mind.
 

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That money was never on the table. He would only have gotten the supermax if he made the All-NBA team in his final contract year or two of the last three. Kyrie's only made one All-NBA team in his life and that was a 3rd-team selection back in 2015. It was more likely than not something that wasn't going to happen yet again this year.

Why a trade probably won’t alone cost Kyrie Irving a super-max extension

By going to Boston this year, Kyrie is eligible for more money in his next contract deal than he would have been if he waited and signed as a free agent.

And Lebron never wanted Kyrie to leave - that much has been made obvious. What I'm laughing at is the idea that Lebron like Kyrie's daddy and could have told him whether to stay or not. Kyrie don't even believe authority figures when they say the world is round, absolutely nothing Lebron could have said was going to change Kyrie's mind.

:why: How can you make that assumption and then try to pass it off as fact?

Kyrie is 25 and one the best guards in the league while now just hitting his prime. He’s also gotten better every year. You really think guys like Kyle Lowry and Isaiah Thomas would keep taking his spot? He’d be a lock to make those teams and therefore qualify for his Supermax.

And I’m not saying Lebron had to be his father. But he could have done more to mend the situation. Kyrie more than anything felt undervalued, They threw his name in trade rumors...not to mention he kept Kyrie in the dark regarding his free agency.

There’s a lot more that he needed to do in this situation. This dude was huge key to legacy.
 

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:why: How can you make that assumption and then try to pass it off as fact?

Kyrie is 25 and one the best guards in the league while now just hitting his prime. He’s also gotten better every year. You really think guys like Kyle Lowry and Isaiah Thomas would keep taking his spot? He’d be a lock to make those teams and therefore qualify for his Supermax.

Quick lesson about "assumptions" and "try to pass it off as fact."

When someone says, "more likely than not," they are not making an assumption or trying to pass something off as fact. They are making an educated guess.

When someone says, "he'd be a lock" and proceeds to definitively predict the future, THEN they are making an assumption and trying to pass it off as fact.

The self-ether of berating me for your own behavior. :snoop:




And calling someone a "lock" to make an All-NBA team when it'd been three years since he made one is foolhardy. Let's break it down as it looked in summer 2017:

Steph, Harden, and Westbrook were assumed in. That's three spots already gone.

The other three spots voters were filling in were going to be between Butler, Dame, DeRozen, Wall, Beal, Klay, CP3, IT, Lowry, Kemba, and Kyrie. That's eleven guys fighting for three spots. And that's assuming no one else makes the leap - say Oladipo, Booker, Holiday, McCollum, Mitchell, etc. Kyrie might beat out 10, 11, 12 of the guys I just listed and still not get the votes to make an All-NBA team. And at least half of those guards had the advantage of being the feature player for their team.

You were assuming that IT wasn't gonna make the All-NBA team anymore (could Kyrie assume that in summer 2017 when IT had been 5th in MVP voting the previous year?), but you ignoring that even if IT didn't make the team, Kyrie wasn't even close to being the next man up. Kyrie was tied with Klay for 23rd in All-NBA voting with just 14 points, you needed 54 to make the team. Dame was right behind them with 12.

In 2016 Kyrie didn't even get a single All-NBA vote...and even worse, guys like Harden, DeRozen, IT, Butler, Wall, and Kemba still didn't make the team. That's how tough the competition is for a spot.

The next year, barring injury, Lebron, KD, Steph, Harden, Kawhi, Westbrook, AD, and Giannis are probably locks to make the All-NBA team. Probably. That's it, and by the way, that's most of the team already taken.
There are 30 or so talented players fighting for the other 7 slots, and 15 of them got more votes in 2017 than Kyrie did. :yeshrug:
 

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Once again the NBA drops the ball again on sunday national tv game coverage.

Instead of having a nice quad header the NBA let's the fans down by not having the ability to nationally flex televised games on their various outlets.

We should have this sunday slate

Pacers at Celtics 1:00 - ESPN
warriors at wolves 3:30 - ABC
Jazz at Pelicans 6:00 - ESPN
Cavs at Lakers 9:00 - ESPN
 
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