Randy Moss is the GOAT WR

[basketball reasons]

one was playing at a high level into his 40s. the other decided when he was and wasnt going to play. easy decision.

 

[Rekkapryde]

No one questions Rice’s legitimacy as a Hall of Famer. But when it comes to Rice’s ultimate legacy, the question is whether he was one of the greatest players ever, or the greatest player ever. And there will be some who think Rice’s otherworldly numbers (aka Parts I and II) need to be discounted because he benefited so much from playing with Joe Montana and Steve Young for the majority of his career. Clearly, Rice was fortunate to play with Montana and Young. No one disputes that. The question is: by how much? That’s an impossible question to answer, but what we can do is look at the seasons during which Rice was working with a non-Montana/Young QB for a substantial amount of time:

• In Rice’s rookie year, Montana missed one game. Matt Cavanaugh started against the Eagles, who had one of the best pass defenses in the league. Rice caught 3 passes for 71 yards and a score.

• In 1986, Rice’s second season, Montana suffered a severe back injury in week one that nearly ended his career. Jeff Kemp (6) and Mike Moroski (2) started half of the season before Montana came back. In those eight games, Rice caught 40 passes for 820 yards and 9 TDs. Over sixteen games, 80 receptions, 1640 yards and 18 TDs would have been the most impressive season by any receiver in the league. Excluding Rice (who had 86-1570-15), Stanley Morgan had the second most receiving yards (1491) and Wesley Walker was second in receiving touchdowns (12). And yes, to those observant readers, Rice’s numbers that season were better without a gimpy Montana than with one.

• Montana and Young would start every non-strike game over the next four seasons, so let’s skip ahead to 1991. Montana had a season-ending elbow injury in the pre-season and Young injured his knee in mid-season. Steve Bono started six games for the 49ers, and Rice caught 33 passes for 415 yards and four scores playing with Bono. After losing their first start under Bono, the 49ers would win their next five games. Pro-rated over 16 games, Rice (88 receptions, 1107 yards, 10.7 TDs) would have ranked 4th, 8th and 5th in receptions, receiving yards and receiving TDs with Bono.

• In 1995, Young went down again, and this time Elvis Grbac took over. In five starts, Rice put up an absurd 31-550-4, for a pro-rated 99-1760-12.8 (actual 122-1848-15). Those 1760 receiving yards would be good enough for #2 all-time on the single-season list.

• Young missed four more starts in 1996, with Grbac again picking up the slack. Rice scored in every game, and caught 27 passes for 322 yards and 5 scores. The pro-rated Rice would have led the league with his 108 catches and ranked 4th with his 1288 yards; his 20 TDs would outpace the #2 man by six scores. The actual Rice had 108-1254-8.

So for 5 seasons, Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1) started 24 games for the 49ers. In exactly a year and a half’s worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That’s an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. And, of course, only 25% of those games came during what we would typically call a wide receiver’s prime. Eighteen of those 24 games that he played without Montana or Young came during Rice’s first or second season, or when he was 33- or 34-years old. In ’95 and ’96, playing at an age when most receivers start slowing down, catching passes from Elvis Grbac, and playing with Derek Loville and Terry Kirby at RB, Rice put up numbers that could arguably pass for the best season of Cris Carter’s or Steve Largent’s career.

And then there are the Jeff Garcia and the Rich Gannon years.

Rice’s two worst seasons in San Francisco (ignoring 1997, when he missed most of the season with a torn ACL) were the two seasons when Garcia was the 49ers primary QB. In 1999, he had 830 receiving yards and 5 scores, and the next season he had 805 yards and seven touchdowns. Far from great numbers, but he had a good excuse: Rice was 37 and 38 years old. Only two players in NFL history, Rice and Charlie Joiner, have caught even 600 yards worth of passes at age 37 or older. Only a handful of receivers in NFL history have caught any passes at age 37 or older. It’s easy to be blinded by the standard Rice set for himself, but apart from one Charlie Joinerseason, those two disappointing seasons were the best in NFL history for a man of his age. [Since I originally wrote this, Terrell Owens gained 983 yards at age 37, but no other receiver that age had even 200 yards. Owens did not play at age 38 or 39.] And then he moved to Oakland and blew those seasons away.

Of all the unbreakable records set by Rice, what he did in Oakland may be the most impressive. At age 40, he caught 92 passes for over 1200 yards. No other player in NFL history has gained a single yard receiving while in his 40s.

Randy Moss: Jerry Rice had two HOF QBs his whole career

Ether.

And Moss is still minimum top 3. That ain't HORRIBLE

 

[#StarkSet]

Smoke crack brehs

 

[Alexander The Great]

Jerry Rice not just the best wide receiver ever, he's the best football player ever.

 

[ShoryukenHaduken]

off topic but the nikka randy said he coulda got 20 ppg in the nba if he was his prime

could jerry do that

 

[TKOK]

How do we know that?

Jerry Rice set the record for td's in a shortened season with a bunch of qb's throwing him the ball i think.

 

[mitter]

1. Let's not forget Moss's embarrassing years with the Raiders

2. Moss at 35 was an afterthought in SF. Rice was making Pro Bowls into his 40s.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

1. Let's not forget Moss's embarrassing years with the Raiders

2. Moss at 35 was an afterthought in SF. Rice was making Pro Bowls into his 40s.

/thread

 

[Rick Roller 10]

How do we know that?

Don't know NFL history, brehs

 

[Rekkapryde]

Moss can make plays Jerry cant. He's bigger, faster, more athletic, and more talented

Jerry a c00n who benefited from HOF QB's

Randy changed the way DB's played and the way coaches schemed against him. He's the reason for the Cover 2 defense for goddamn sake

Randy had nikkas playing 15-20 yards off him with safety help over the top and still burning folks for TD's. Moss put the fear of God in defenses

Plus so many receivers ate off Randy being a decoy and drawing so much attention

It's no coincidence 2 of the GOAT offenses ever both had Mauce on them

Having the talent to be the best and actually using it to the be the best aren't the same.

was more of a hybrid between the both of them but stronger (weaker hands, but still)

2 top offenses and no rings either.

 

[Rekkapryde]

1. Let's not forget Moss's embarrassing years with the Raiders

2. Moss at 35 was an afterthought in SF. Rice was making Pro Bowls into his 40s.

nothing else to be said

 

[Geek Nasty]

Randy Moss perfected poker face catches, but he's not touching Jerry Rice. JR could make c00n chicken commercials for 30 more years and still wouldn't put Moss over him.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Maws was part of the biggest choke in superbowl history

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Had the most talent not the best player

There were seasons where he literally gave up and stopped trying

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Full article here: Randy Moss: Jerry Rice had two HOF QBs his whole career

For 5 seasons, Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1) started 24 games for the 49ers. In exactly a year and a half’s worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That’s an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. And, of course, only 25% of those games came during what we would typically call a wide receiver’s prime. Eighteen of those 24 games that he played without Montana or Young came during Rice’s first or second season, or when he was 33- or 34-years old. In ’95 and ’96, playing at an age when most receivers start slowing down, catching passes from Elvis Grbac, and playing with Derek Loville and Terry Kirby at RB, Rice put up numbers that could arguably pass for the best season of Cris Carter’s or Steve Largent’s career.

NOW shut the fukk UP