Rank the teams Lebron faced in the finals so far

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the 2011 Mavs weren't overrated. Dirk gets the tag that he "carried them" but they really carried him to be the one side of the court NBA great he always was. He did nothing special defensively. Added nothing. The rest of the team covered that. I dislike the fact that they put Dirk in the pantheon of Hakeem who didn't take any time off offensively AND defensively.
 

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I've never heard anyone put Dirk up with Hakeem.
When they say "who carried a team to the finals with no superstars!"

Yes you have. But Dirk was asked to carry little defensively
 

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Pretty reasonable, but I'd rank the Mavs last or second-to-last

Mavs are criminally overrated. Lost in the fact that Bron played like :wrist: is the fact that they were a couple plays away from getting swept by the Heat with Bron playing like that. They get run off the floor with the real Bron (or something anywhere close to it) out there.

In one playoff run, the Mavs took out MOST of the 1st-Team and 2nd-Team All-NBA teams, MOST of the top-5 MVP vote-getters, and beat the Defending Champs in an easy 4-game sweep, the next year's Western Conference Champs in a 5-game gentleman's sweep, and the next year's NBA Champ's in a series where the best player in the league got completely befuddled.

Someone please tell me what that Mavs team was missing? You need to stop judging teams by the superstars on the top and start actually looking at how the teams are constructed and how they play. Mavs had the perfect pieces at every position, veterans who knew what they were doing, and the most advanced zone in the NBA at the time.



Disagree. They are criminally underrated actually. They went 57-25 in the regular season, they ranked 8th in offensive rating and 8th in defensive rating, in the playoffs they brought out a zone defense that was incredibly hard to score on for one-on-one scorers. In the playoffs Dirk was in god mode, they had Terry and Barea instant offense off the bench, two physical on-ball defenders in Marion and Stevenson, Kidd was still giving you 8 points and 8 dimes in 30 minutes with good defense, Tyson Chandler was a DPoY candidate and dominant rebounder, they had Peja's sharpshooting off the bench.

In the first round they defeated Portland with LMA, and an older Brandon Roy who showed flashes of his prime form in the series (4-2)...
They swept the defending champion Lakers, Kobe was held to 23 points a game...
They beat up and coming OKC, Durant was held to 43% shooting and Russell was held to 36% shooting...

This is all before facing the Heat, if LeBron plays like LeBron they probably win but they don't get enough credit for how they defended star players. LeBron struggled against the zone and he saw an elite rim protector and multiple defenders. LeBron wasn't the only scorer who struggled against Dallas in those playoffs.

Exactly. Lakers should have been peaking that year (Gasol/Kobe were still within their primes, Bynum was peaking, and Odom/MWP/Blake/Barnes were all 30-31), they went 57-25 and had the #2 seed, and Mavs just stole their souls.

Durant was an MVP candidate that year but Mavs kept him well under control, Westbrook was 2nd-team All-NBA and Mavs made him look like shyt, Ibaka had an insane 43 blocks in the first two series but only managed 9 against the Mavs while Dirk wiped him for 32ppg on 56% shooting.

There's an article where the Mavs explain exactly how they knew to guard Lebron. The 3-2 zone made it difficult to get in the paint and they had DPOY candidate Tyson Chandler anchoring it, they were primarily afraid of Lebron's passing so they hedged their guys to cut off passing lanes all the time (plus the Heat had no shooters so all the passing had to be inside), and they knew that Lebron was good at learning defenders and figuring out weaknesses so they kept switching up who was guarding him to give different looks and keep him off-balance. They figured that Wade would get his, but if they kept Lebron off-balance and didn't let him drive or set guys up, the Heat offense would stagnate.
 

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In one playoff run, the Mavs took out MOST of the 1st-Team and 2nd-Team All-NBA teams, MOST of the top-5 MVP vote-getters, and beat the Defending Champs in an easy 4-game sweep, the next year's Western Conference Champs in a 5-game gentleman's sweep, and the next year's NBA Champ's in a series where the best player in the league got completely befuddled.

Someone please tell me what that Mavs team was missing? You need to stop judging teams by the superstars on the top and start actually looking at how the teams are constructed and how they play. Mavs had the perfect pieces at every position, veterans who knew what they were doing, and the most advanced zone in the NBA at the time.
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And what does any of the stuff they did before the Finals have to do with how good they were in the Finals? That Heat squad beat the C's and #1 overall record having, best defense in the league having Bulls in 5 games each. We gonna act like they were one of his best Finals teams? I am talking about how they played. I didn't say anything about their superstars. Someone please tell me how a team that Bron had his worst Finals, shyt worst series ever against, yet still had a competitive series is not at the bottom of teams he's played against? They Heat could have very well won that series with Bron playing like shyt. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this. No one is saying they were a shytty team or didn't earn their chip, just that pretty much every other squad Bron has faced fares better against that squad and that version of Bron.
 

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Someone please tell me how a team that Bron had his worst Finals, shyt worst series ever against, yet still had a competitive series is not at the bottom of teams he's played against?

Because it's what that team did that forced Bron into such a bad series.


The Mavs held Bron to 18-7-7 on 48% shooting and 32% from three, yes.

Those same Mavs held Kobe to 23-3-3 on 46% shooting and 23% from three. That's arguably worse.

Those same Mavs held Westbrook to 24-4-4 on 36% shooting and 20% from three and as many turnovers as assists. That was also worse.


They knew what they wanted to take away with each team, and they did it very, very effectively. Different players responded differently. But getting Lebron to keep giving up the ball and defer his way to an efficient 17-8-8 (53% eFG) was no more amazing than making Kobe a near non-factor or goading Westbrook into 64 missed shots (37% eFG%!!!) and 24 turnovers in a 5-game series where he had Durant, Harden, and Ibaka right next to him.
 

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Because it's what that team did that forced Bron into such a bad series.


The Mavs held Bron to 18-7-7 on 48% shooting and 32% from three, yes.

Those same Mavs held Kobe to 23-3-3 on 46% shooting and 23% from three. That's arguably worse.

Those same Mavs held Westbrook to 24-4-4 on 36% shooting and 20% from three and as many turnovers as assists. That was also worse.


They knew what they wanted to take away with each team, and they did it very, very effectively. Different players responded differently. But getting Lebron to keep giving up the ball and defer his way to an efficient 17-8-8 (53% eFG) was no more amazing than making Kobe a near non-factor or goading Westbrook into 64 missed shots (37% eFG%!!!) and 24 turnovers in a 5-game series where he had Durant, Harden, and Ibaka right next to him.

And even with Bron having that bad series, it was competitive. They swept the Lakers, they beat OKC in 5. You don't hold someone to anything from 3 when you encourage them to shoot them. That was the worst Heat team we saw and the worst Bron we saw and it was a competitive series (Heat were a 4th qtr collapse at home and an unforced error by Wade from sweeping). If that is not enough to push the Mavs to the bottom or near the bottom of the teams Bron has faced in the Finals then I don't know what to tell you :manny:.
 

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14 Spurs
16 Warriors
13 Spurs
12 Thunder
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15 Warriors
11 Mavs

Mavs are criminally overrated. Lost in the fact that Bron played like :wrist: is the fact that they were a couple plays away from getting swept by the Heat with Bron playing like that. They get run off the floor with the real Bron (or something anywhere close to it) out there.
Greatly benefited from an injured and fatigued Lakers squad. Had no business in the finals. Don't know how OKC took an L to them. That run was the perfect confluence of events. Worst championship team in any sport the best 10 years.
 

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breh...read the title of this shyt....:francis:

lebron vs teams? :gucci:

this is the problem with sports today especially the nba....

its the cavs vs whoever or mia vs whoever

the nikka lebron not out there alone

You are the first person I have seen call out the Lebron vs teams narrative bullshyt. throughout the entire playoffs, it's been Lebron vs indiana/boston/raptors and now warriors. It's the same on the coli. This is one of the reasons people hate lebron and his stans
 
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