RANT: People shytting on KG now? :WTF:

[FTBS]

I don't recall seeing all the histrionics in Minny. I don't recall seeing the histrionics against the likes of Shaq. Lebron laughed at the nikka right in his face last year. He's a great player however there is no denying that the tough guy act is completely bogus. Just because you like or identify with a guy doesn't mean that you should just ignore what has actually happened. The nikka has been allergic to the paint offensively for most of his career. He's been a guy with clutch issues for most of his career. Yet somehow he comes to Boston, joins up with the original modern superteam and all of a sudden he's Mr. Toughguy....until of course it came time to make some noise in the paint a few years back. Being a tough guy is about what you do not what you say or act like you are gonna do. Great player but the tough guy shyt is indefensible.

 

[Street Knowledge]

My problem with KG has always been his offense and scoring efficiency in the playoffs. He had 3 dominant playoff years from 02-04. Outside of that nada

18 points/ 10 rebounds
19 points/ 11 rebounds
20 points/10 rebounds

Type performances. That's not good enough for a franchise player

 

[Poppa_Dock]

when u see that dudes like carlos boozer keep up basically the same amount of numbers with less minutes at career average KG doesn't seem that special

 

[Fckumeen]

My nikka KG the GOAT

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

when u see that dudes like carlos boozer keep up basically the same amount of numbers with less minutes at career average KG doesn't seem that special

 

[holidayinn21]

now kg was always a #2 ?

MVP's are #2 's now?

what am I reading here?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

now kg was always a #2 ?

MVP's are #2 's now?

what am I reading here?

Dudes are on some figure 8 type logic in here trying to hate with biased logic then later undo contradiction by amending their hate into something new

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So during a season in which his team ain't win shyt, he was the most important player?

That suits Pierce's and my agenda quite well.

It doesn't suit your agenda whatsoever, regardless of their record/success - KG was still the most important/influential player on that team; you can use that 'didn't win shyt' argument for the rest of the 29 teams. For the supposed closer that Pierce is/was - he averaged less points in the closing games of the series', (7's and 6's) compared to KG in the 4th quarters plus averaged less points per 4th quarter in the Heat games that they won too - all the while shooting 38% from the field in the playoffs. Don't be telling me Pierce had more of an say impact/production-wise, because he clearly didn't.

 

[Walt]

It doesn't suit your agenda whatsoever, regardless of their record/success - KG was still the most important/influential player on that team; you can use that 'didn't win shyt' argument for the rest of the 29 teams. For the supposed closer that Pierce is/was - he averaged less points in the closing games of the series', (7's and 6's) compared to KG in the 4th quarters plus averaged less points per 4th quarter in the Heat games that they won too - all the while shooting 38% from the field in the playoffs. Don't be telling me Pierce had more of an say impact/production-wise, because he clearly didn't.

You mean last year when Pierce was playing at 20% he wasn't a closer? The year when Rondo was the best player on the team?



Pierce wasn't able to close, and they weren't able to win. Ray was a year older and disenchanted and hurt, and he wasn't able to close either. But during their two notable playoff runs KG was able to defer to two players much better at late game scoring than he is. Hell of a luxury to have, and he damn sure needed it.

When KG was running from the post, missing jumpers from the key, with Pierce out of the game and Bill Russell screaming at him to get his bytch ass in the post, what did the advanced stats say in terms of KG's ability to close games?

Kevin fukking Garnett has never, ever, ever been a reliable #1 and no stats or pointless meanmugging can come close to changing that irrevocable fact.

On top of that, he's a bytch ass melodramatic p*ssy ass ho ass piece of charcoal.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You mean last year when Pierce was playing at 20% he wasn't a closer? The year when Rondo was the best player on the team?



Pierce wasn't able to close, and they weren't able to win. Ray was a year older and disenchanted and hurt, and he wasn't able to close either. But during their two notable playoff runs KG was able to defer to two players much better at late game scoring than he is. Hell of a luxury to have, and he damn sure needed it.

See now, what have I been arguing? KG being the most important/impactful/influential player on the team LAST SEASON (playoffs). This notion of using the 'previous seasons' to reflect the x-length they travelled in the playoffs due to Pierce's health (+ Allens health) and the luxury KG had is inconsequential, because their team is not predicated on Pierce/Allen (individually) being more 'important' than KG; I see you keep pushing this 'closing' vehicle, because it doesn't have any motor itself. Hell of a luxury to have KG anchoring one of the best defenses (season in, season out since 08) and provide post-scoring, which laid the groundwork for him to 'close' games. He damn sure needed it.



And naw Rondo wasn't the best player on their team last season - that is far from reality.

When KG was running from the post, missing jumpers from the key, with Pierce out of the game and Bill Russell screaming at him to get his bytch ass in the post, what did the advanced stats say in terms of KG's ability to close games?

Kevin fukking Garnett has never, ever, ever been a reliable #1 and no stats or pointless meanmugging can come close to changing that irrevocable fact.

The stats showed me that KG had more production, than Pierce on the offensive side in closing games (4th quarters) of the playoffs last season. Plus the countless amount of times he made key-defensive stops in late-game situations, that you conveniently keep glossing over. Because all that seems to matter when it comes to discussing KG's clutch-ability, is strictly the offensive side of the ball.

On top of that, he's a bytch ass melodramatic p*ssy ass ho ass piece of charcoal.

What you really meant to say is - 'I'll never concede he's the most important player on a title-contender, no matter what reality really indicates. Because at the end of the day, he's still a bytch ass melodramatic p*ssy ass ho ass piece of charcoal'.

Your stance is Mario Chalmers status =

 

[The Informant]

OG KG

 

[Walt]

Hell of a luxury to have KG anchoring one of the best defenses (season in, season out since 08) and provide post-scoring, which laid the groundwork for him to 'close' games. He damn sure needed it.

Hell of a luxury for Scottie Pippen to create, defend his ass off, and facilitate...Jordan damn sure needed that too. The great #2s of all time always help others close.

And naw Rondo wasn't the best player on their team last season - that is far from reality.

Rondo was the one constant last year and the most important player for the Celtics.

The stats showed me that KG had more production, than Pierce on the offensive side in closing games (4th quarters) of the playoffs last season.

That's probably why they went 7 with shytty ass Philly and blew a 3-2 lead over the Heat.

When KG is your #1 in the clutch, your team tends to lose in the playoffs. Although he wasn't their #1 in the clutch, even last year. Pierce and Allen just weren't hitting shots.

Plus the countless amount of times he made key-defensive stops in late-game situations, that you conveniently keep glossing over. Because all that seems to matter when it comes to discussing KG's clutch-ability, is strictly the offensive side of the ball.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get these tired ass straw man arguments out my face, dog. When it comes to discussing KG in relation to TD and Duncan, yes his offensive limitations and outright p*ssyness about post play are valid talking points. Both players are far and away superior to build a team around, as proven by reality, over and over again.

My arguments are actually pretty fukking obvious: KG is a player whose talents are best utilized when he's in a situation where he doesn't have to consistently serve as the team's top offensive option, especially not late in games.

Is KG an all time great? Never said otherwise. Is he on the level of a Tim Duncan? To a moron or a stan, maybe. Dirk? That debate is more interesting. But Dirk has something in common with Hakeem, Jordan, Duncan, and other all time #1 s in that he can turn a decent team into a great one.

KG is more like a Pat Ewing to me. He can be the lynchpin of your defense, he can score a bit, but you better get him some teammates on the wing who are legitimate all stars or you ain't winning shyt with him. Although, to be fair to Pat, his teams won a lot more than KG's before KG got two future Hall of Famers to play with.

What you really meant to say is - 'I'll never concede he's the most important player on a title-contender, no matter what reality really indicates. Because at the end of the day, he's still a bytch ass melodramatic p*ssy ass ho ass piece of charcoal'.

What you really mean to say is "yo, let me harp on how KG was more productive in the playoffs at the end of games in the 2011-2012 season than Paul Pierce and somehow pretend that negates any argument that KG isn't a reliable #1 ."

And what I mean to say is:

Your stance is Mario Chalmers status =

Oh, I completely agree.

 

[23Barrettcity]

KG is great but dudes were comparing him to Timmy D. Nothing good is going to come out of that comparison for KG.

Lol they are a good character study . I'd watch a a 30/30 about the two of them . The intense demonstrative trash talking kg vs the mild mannered silent assassin it's like all the things they say about bullies apply to kg .

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Hell of a luxury for Scottie Pippen to create, defend his ass off, and facilitate...Jordan damn sure needed that too. The great #2s of all time always help others close.

When did Pippen average more PPG than Jordan in the playoffs? When did Pippen anchor a defense? When did Pippen have 1000x more impact on defense than Jordan did? When did Pippen have more 4th quarter PPG in closing games than Jordan did? When did Pippen have a +10 FG% (or a comparable FG% considerably greater for a wing player) over Jordan?

Did Pippen ever do these things collectively in a season - and if he hypothetically would have, you don't think folk would be saying Pippen was the most important/influential/impactful player THAT particular season?

I hear what you're saying, but they aren't comparable in this instance. I'm not saying that Pierce shouldn't have been the most important/influential/impactful player on that team (in order for the Celtics to go further in the playoffs - because that's entirely a different argument) - again, all I'm saying is how far the Celtics got last season was down to KG, he was the most important piece and the main reason the Celtics got as far as they did.

Rondo was the one constant last year and the most important player for the Celtics.

Wait, how could he have been - when he was like #4 /#5 option in the clutch last season?

That's probably why they went 7 with shytty ass Philly and blew a 3-2 lead over the Heat.

When KG is your #1 in the clutch, your team tends to lose in the playoffs. Although he wasn't their #1 in the clutch, even last year. Pierce and Allen just weren't hitting shots.

Re: "I'm saying is how far the Celtics got last season was mainly down to KG, he was the most important player and the main reason the Celtics got as far as they did."

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Out of the success they had last season - KG had the most input/output out of every player on the Celtics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get these tired ass straw man arguments out my face, dog. When it comes to discussing KG in relation to TD and Duncan, yes his offensive limitations and outright p*ssyness about post play are valid talking points. Both players are far and away superior to build a team around, as proven by reality, over and over again.

My arguments are actually pretty fukking obvious: KG is a player whose talents are best utilized when he's in a situation where he doesn't have to consistently serve as the team's top offensive option, especially not late in games.

Is KG an all time great? Never said otherwise. Is he on the level of a Tim Duncan? To a moron or a stan, maybe. Dirk? That debate is more interesting. But Dirk has something in common with Hakeem, Jordan, Duncan, and other all time #1 s in that he can turn a decent team into a great one.

KG is more like a Pat Ewing to me. He can be the lynchpin of your defense, he can score a bit, but you better get him some teammates on the wing who are legitimate all stars or you ain't winning shyt with him. Although, to be fair to Pat, his teams won a lot more than KG's before KG got two future Hall of Famers to play with.

Yet his 'offensive limitations and outright p*ssyness about post play' ass had more production in the clutch, than Pierce did last season in aforementioned games. And I ain't arguing at all, and I never once did in this thread that Duncan isn't the superior player to build around. I don't know why you keep bringing that up, because quite frankly, Duncan doesn't have any relevance to my OG argument at all.

And once again I ain't arguing that KG isn't best suited for a #1 offensive option (esp. late in games) or basically anything else you're using as evidence to back up what Pierce did for the Celtics last season. I think I need to post my initial argument (we just travellin' over land that doesn't need to be covered) -

"KG's impact/infuence on the team >>>>> PP's (11/12). KG was more of a deciding factor in the past playoffs - contrary to popular belief; he came up clutch in deciding games (plus 6's and 5's) all throughout the playoffs on both ends of the court. Plus he averaged more PPG in the post-season than Pierce did as well - so the offense wouldn't be stuck in neutral as you say (19.2 to Pierce's 18.9). However, that defense would be stuck in reverse if it wasn't for KG.

KG was the most important player on the Celtics this past season and it's not even close."

Which was to disprove your claims of:

No hating at all. KG is a Hall of Famer, never would dispute that. And KG anchored that D. But Pierce was the ultimate closer, and without him the Celts win none of those series - all of which went the distance.

Agreed. And the O would be stuck in neutral without PP doing what he do. He's Ice Cold. Kg just... frozen.

I assumed you were talking about these past playoffs(as all of them went the distance - last time Celtics' had ALL 7 game series' was 08/09)- which basically proved your theory wrong of Pierce being the ultimate closer in those series' and that the offense would be stuck in neutral without him doing what he did (which was shoot 38% from the field and average less PPG and PP4th quarter than KG).

What you really mean to say is "yo, let me harp on how KG was more productive in the playoffs at the end of games in the 2011-2012 season than Paul Pierce and somehow pretend that negates any argument that KG isn't a reliable [URL=http://www.the-coli.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ."

And what I mean to say is:

Re: All of the above.

Oh, I completely agree.

Naw I mean't this Chalmers:

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Also, it's funny how you went from:

No hating at all. KG is a Hall of Famer, never would dispute that. And KG anchored that D. But Pierce was the ultimate closer, and without him the Celts win none of those series - all of which went the distance.

Agreed. And the O would be stuck in neutral without PP doing what he do. He's Ice Cold. Kg just... frozen.

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When KG is your #1 in the clutch, your team tends to lose in the playoffs. Although he wasn't their #1 in the clutch, even last year. Pierce and Allen just weren't hitting shots.