Rape activist raped after agreeing to shower with man

[basketball reasons]

What are you even

You are missing the point. Are you saying all men are rapist and criminals so a woman saying no, don't, or stop it means nothing because you can't control people? That's not how it works. If you continue to force a sex act on someone after they say no it's rape. There is no justification of rape just like there is no justification for random murder and that was my point. Her being dumb wouldn't justify her being raped or shot if there was a gun to her head. Are you saying a women being alive should expect to be raped because its criminals out there and crying or saying no doesn't matter because that is the way the world works? She should say nothing at all?

If she was raped after being followed home or something where would this BS analogy be then? What if she didn't put herself in that position? You could have at least made it specific to this situation and even then you don't have a let to stand on. Like wth a woman telling a man no is crying to a criminal? Aren't you also as an adult expected to follow the law and be about to control yourself? Are you saying men can't control themselves? I bet you pressed that post reply button thinking you told me

Dude what are you saying here?

If you want to believe that campaigning "Rape is bad" is going to stop it from happening, cook on. Any decent person knows no means no. Youre expecting bad people to care about a persons boundaries. Thats naive.

If i ever have a daughter I'm going to get her to be proactive, not reactive. And she'll be better off and more prepared for the world than this lady ever will.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

why is this thread so long

Because some of us decided to have an intelligent discourse. I know that's rare in TLR

 

[Raava]

Ok, I see. I didn't read the previous pages of this thread but I'm sure there were a few people saying its not rape for whatever reason.
You are right about the guy likely thinking he didn't commit rape. Rapists and rape apologists have problematic views of gender and consent. Even in the Bill Cosby thread on here, people were trying to tell me that Bill Cosby is innocent because some of the women continued to have some form of contact with him after the alleged rapes. They tried to tell me that if they still talked to/dated him after, that means that the past rape "wasn't rape". I got negged and called a c00n in that thread for saying that if he committed raped, he should be punished for it

Yea I'm not making excuses for her being stupid/poor judgment or whatever. Most guys can't understand women or rape victims or why they do some of the things they do. Most can't imagine something like that being taken away most people don't act normal or do what people think they should.

If you want to believe that campaigning "Rape is bad" is going to stop it from happening, cook on. Any decent person knows no means no. Youre expecting bad people to care about a persons boundaries. Thats naive.

If i ever have a daughter I'm going to get her to be proactive, not reactive. And she'll be better off and more prepared for the world than this lady ever will.

Its not campaigning rape is bad. Rape is actually bad you don't have to campaign it. When did I ever say that would stop it? Your quote didn't really address what I was saying at all. So let's just stop. You have a point you want to make in this thread post it instead of quoting me about things I didn't say and am not doing.

 

[NoMayo15]

The reason she took a shower with him is because she believes nakedness doesn't have anything to do with sex and sex doens't have to do with rape. Basically, her brain was all clouded up from hippy non-sense. I'm not even anti-feminist AT ALL, but some of the shyt they say is fantasy foolishness that puts women in danger.

And she's TEACHING women. Teaching daughters. That is truly a scary thought.

Saying someone crying to a criminal won't stop crime or saying no to a rapist won't stop rape is not the point.

I don't think this is what he was saying. I think his point was more of ... as long as there are people in this world, there's always going to be one person trying to do harm to another for selfish gain. Yes, these are terrible people, but that's just the reality we live in. Most men know what rape is, and know that it's immoral, just like any other serious crime. Despite this, people will still murder, steal and rape. We all agree that these people are disgusting, and should be removed from society. However, people should also take certain precautions to ensure these bad things are less likely to happen to them. No one can avoid everything, and there's no such thing as 100% safety. But agreeing to be naked and alone with an intoxicated stranger seems, to me, asking for trouble.

Now, if he did rape her, then fukk him. But some women seem to be using claims of rape & sexual assault as a weapon against men, regardless of if it occurred or not. I, for one, am more interested in the truth of the matter, rather than some gender war.

 

[Mr Rager]

1. She says she 'just wanted a hot shower'....Why not wait until he's out THEN take a shower on your own



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Spoiler

 

[Raava]

And she's TEACHING women. Teaching daughters. That is truly a scary thought.



I don't think this is what he was saying. I think his point was more of ... as long as there are people in this world, there's always going to be one person trying to do harm to another for selfish gain. Yes, these are terrible people, but that's just the reality we live in. Most men know what rape is, and know that it's immoral, just like any other serious crime. Despite this, people will still murder, steal and rape. We all agree that these people are disgusting, and should be removed from society. However, people should also take certain precautions to ensure these bad things are less likely to happen to them. No one can avoid everything, and there's no such thing as 100% safety. But agreeing to be alone with an intoxicated stranger seems, to me, to be asking for trouble.

Now, if he did rape her, then fukk him. But some women seem to be using claims of rape & sexual assault as a weapon against men, regardless of if it occurred or not. I, for one, am more interested in the truth of the matter, rather than some gender war.

I never said she shouldn't have been careful or made excuses as to why she was in the shower from jump I said it was dumb. I never said crying would stop it. I didn't even say rape is bad so it should stop. My point was if she said no it's rape and there is no justification for it. I don't know why he quoted me with what he did. But he missed it.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

I have a messed up sense of humor so I'm at this story.

I feel like women like her make it hard for women who ACTUALLY get raped. I have a bunch of female friends who've been raped and my heart goes out to all of them. But this story is so foolish it's not even funny. It's not her fault but she can't be surprised when folks aren't sympathetic at her poor decision making.

 

[perfectblack999]

I have a messed up sense of humor so I'm at this story.

I feel like women like her make it hard for women who ACTUALLY get raped. I have a bunch of female friends who've been raped and my heart goes out to all of them. But this story is so foolish it's not even funny. It's not her fault but she can't be surprised when folks aren't sympathetic at her poor decision making.

Breh the details described in this story don't even make sense. She's shaming women who have legit cases.

Oh so a dude is gonna lift you again your will in a shower and insert his penis in smooth??

How outlandish

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'll sit this one out

I'm looking at this story and her post-reactions like

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What do you think she smells like brehs?

at this post and screen name.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

Wait this chick reported a dude to his boss for WAVING at her? fukk her.

She's nothing but a trouble maker.

 

[yungblkboy8264]

I never said she shouldn't have been careful or made excuses as to why she was in the shower from jump I said it was dumb. I never said crying would stop it. I didn't even say rape is bad so it should stop. My point was if she said not it's rape and their is no justification for it. I don't know why he quoted me with what he did. But he missed it.

What you are saying is sensible (people being held responsible for committing crimes) but the thing is, a TON of women and feminists are saying that the solution is telling rapists not to rape. I know you didn't mention a solution or speak on that aspect, but I'm just saying, that IS what's being said by other women.

 

[Raava]

What you are saying is sensible (people being held responsible for committing crimes) but the thing is, a TON of women and feminists are saying that the solution is telling rapists not to rape. I know you didn't mention a solution or speak on that aspect, but I'm just saying, that IS what's being said by other women.

I don't see a problem with explaining what rape is to dudes because I see a lot of guys who don't think certain things are rape because of a situation and that's not true. I have almost been raped...Dude really didn't think he was wrong until I started crying. I wasn't naked, I wasn't acting sexual towards him. Me pushing him off me and saying stop wasn't enough. I guess he thought it was some game. I bet to this day he still doesn't think what he did was even close to rape. Honestly I could have done somethings differently but I was a naive virgin so things that were innocent to me I learned other people weren't like that.

A lot of men think of rape as being pulled into a dark alley or someone sneaking in a bed room, or someone kicking and scream, or being tied up. Rape is simply a woman saying no and meaning it. Its a woman not being able to say yes or no. Just like some men think following a woman trying to get her number after she says no more than once isn't harassment.

At the same time we have to move smarter as woman and acknowledge the risks we face since we are targets as women. So no I don't think its wrong or unnecessary to educate men on it but no that is def not the only solution.

 

[Azul]

The more I think about this story, the angrier it makes me.

As I stated earlier, is no excuse for all rape. None. Period. If this is indeed what happened, then I feel for her because knowing women who have been raped, I know the psychological, emotional, and physical damage it inflicts. It is something that I harbor a great fear of and never want to experience, ever.

With that said, I think this chick is a fukking looney toon and women like her are dangerous. I'm sure there will be some that say that I'm victim blaming, but honestly speaking I have my doubts as to whether she is a victim at all.

For starters, she has shown a pattern of accusing men of rape and sexual harassment. Now, this isn't to say that if you say you had such an occurrence more than once that you are lying, but that combined with her comments that every female in her family has been raped. She does not live in war-torn country, the odds of such an (unfortunate) circumstance occurring is low.

With regards to the backstory, unfortunately South Africa is one of those places where a female traveler has to be extremely careful. As many places as I've been solo, South Africa will not be one of them. I avoid hostels, I don't feel secure in them at all. For the life of me, I can't seem to comprehend why she would even think of hopping in a shower with a man she barely even knows.

I stated that she is dangerous because her mentality is not one that should be had in this fukked up world. Her stance goes beyond the "getting drunk at a party with friends." In a perfect world, sure we could live the hippy life...be free, walk around naked n' shyt, and not be defined by society's constraints. Unfortunately, that is not the world we live and will never be. People, especially women must practice a little thing called due diligence. We have to be extra careful. I remember a few years back I was out with a friend and we were heading back to our car. I noticed that this big, tall, white man was following us for a few blocks. It could have been a coincidence, but I was on high alert. My friend was about to turn into a dark ass side street when I yanked her to cross the street. Dude turn that corner looking angry as hell, and I knew I made the right decision.

Now, not every rape stems from such a scenario (often it is done from a violation of trust), and again, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS RAPE OK....but I mentioned it to say that people will be evil and people are capable of doing fukked up things. We have to act accordingly. Sometimes we cannot avoid the crossfire of despicable actions, but we sure as hell can decrease the odds at moments in time.

Her drivel is teaching young girls not to be alert and diligent. It is dangerous, it is foolish, and frankly, it is an insult to women who have been violated.

I wanna kick her ass.

 

[AnotherRoute]

I hate to be as skeptical about a person being raped, but I am going to be skeptical about

1. A rape activist one on social media travels to a part of the world that has a high rape statistic.
2. We have a drunk male she showed a little interest towards
3. She is in a situation most people would question and is very questionable being naked in the shower with said drunk male she met a few hours earlier and kissed
4. She is then raped in the shower by said male and in the shower the DNA is then washed away (which is critical in a rape case )
5. She is now left with it being her word against his and things seems stacked in his favor do to the fact all her moves are questionable
6. After the attack take place she "live blogs" everything and then points out how l are victim blaming

It seems like the perfect storm of many aspect of a rape story and comes across a lot like martyrdom.

I hate to be such a skeptic but with the internet and activist there is always some bullshyt happening