Rate this quote: Day 1 (John Henrik Clarke)

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I was going to say the same thing - he also makes a second reflection closer to the end of his life about it.

He does and he evolves.

He says black leadership shouldn't just be reserved for those at the top. That black leadership should also come from the bottom, from the masses, and be grassroot.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yeah, they were both right with Dubois being a bit more right lol. As you pointed out with the observation Dubois made on Tuskegee, IT WAS a perfect marriage of educated leaders (talented tenth types) and the students (common types from the masses) being taught agriculture/trades by those same types.

this is what Booker was hoping for as an example for the black masses to follow

Junius George Groves (April 12, 1859 – August 17, 1925)

was an American farmer and entrepreneur remembered as one of the wealthiest black Americans of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Known as the "Potato King of the World" by 1902, Groves optimized potato growth methods, out-producing anyone else in the world to that point. His vast financial success—‌analyzed further in Booker T. Washington's The Negro in Business (1907)—‌was utilized to help combat racism by providing economic opportunities for other black Americans.

 

[Asicz]

@DrBanneker do another thread like this

 

[Asicz]

Low-key blood boiling that I nor most black Americans never heard of Junious Groves.

 

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Bump.

 

[get these nets]

This is also true - though the Talented Tenth was not regional - those educated at Morehouse and Spelman (later Harvard and Yale) - Fisk and Southern, as well as The Tuskegee Institute - were all apart of the intellectual and moneyed Black elite, it existed in all cities with Black people in the US. The goal was to rear that 10th so they could develop into the vanguard for the Negro community.

True.
My original point was the difference in realities faced by the talented tenth versus those from the larger segment of Blacks.
Those differences helped shape their views about the world.
Partially because of those differences, their departure of some of them from the South occurred before the exodus of some from the masses from the South.

roughly from page 8

this is a chapter from Carter G. Woodson's book.

Chapter 8 Migration of the Talented Tenth (about 11 full pages)

 

[get these nets]

JHC exaggerates a lot to get points across in my opinion. In another quote he talks about it being a "mistake" to have separate Black history departments (he was a pioneer for Black studies) since he believed true Black history (US and global) needs to be integrated and taught as a comprehensive part of history as a whole. He didn't want to really get rid of them but press a point home.

Good example.
Due to YT channels and people slicing excerpts of lectures into short segments, people can sometimes miss the context or intent of the speaker.
There was a recent thread here about The Boule where a guy went on a rant against mixed race people. He posted bits of a famous lecture by JHC to justify his points.
I showed him a video clip of Clarke openly praising Adam Clayton Powell as the "best politician that Black America has ever had". Brother Darkness himself , Adam Clayton Powell.

He tried to play it off.He might as well have said "I didn't come here looking for trouble, I'm just here to the Superbowl TLR Shuffle"

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Clarke's view about the true place for Black History is consistent with the scholar that he learned from.


More importantly, it's consistent with Carter G. Woodson's original intent for Negro History Week.


“This is the meaning of Negro History Week. It is not so much a Negro History Week as it is a History week. We should emphasize not Negro History, but the Negro in history. What we need is not a history of selected races or nations, but the history of the world void of national bias, race hate, and religious prejudice. There should be no indulgence in undue eulogy of the Negro. The case of the Negro is well taken care of when it is shown how he has influenced the development of civilization.”

—Carter Godwin Woodson, “The Celebration of Negro History Week, 1927,” Journal of Negro History, April 1927

 

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They BOTH were preaching a way of thinking that would be an asset to the Black community, there's no need to pit them against each other. Both the skills and the rights are essential.

A conversation with the descendants of Dubois and Washington. They address this in the interview.

The conversation begins @4 minute mark

Dr. Amanda Washington Lockett / Arthur McFarlane III





Arthur McFarlane
Colorado B.A. Everest BBA



Dr. Amanda Washington Lockett
Spelman B.A. Columbia M.A. Penn PhD

 

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Check out the linked interview in the post above.

@DrBanneker @Rhakim @EndDomination @HarlemHottie @xoxodede @Originalman @Bawon Samedi @FAH1223 @ogc163 @newworldafro @Alexander.

 

[get these nets]

A conversation with the descendants of Dubois and Washington. They address this in the interview.

I think Rha checked himself out of the forum recently He said that the negativity and ignorance here became too much. He bounced before I was able to suggest to him to just do a mass ignore list update

 

[Neuromancer]

10. Dr. Clarke was on point like a watch hand.

 

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