Real talk, I wish there were more "serious" conservative posters here

[No1]

I guess i'll just say the Onus, as you put it, should rest with the bigger man. You two can figure out which of you that is.

It's not about being the bigger man. I want nothing to do with the guy in this thread, and he won't accept that. I never wanted to make this thread about him and I won't. I responded to his proponents and just because I didn't respond to his paragraphs directly, he's upset. He claims I'm acting like a 6 year old because I told him exactly why I am ignoring him. Something he has to have known that I've done before so I don't even know why he's aggy about it. There are certain things and certain people you just choose not to argue with on certain topics and at certain points. If he chooses not to fukk with me because of it then But he knows damn well that 90% of the time he misrepresents the shyt that I say. So I'll just leave it at that.

I'm interested in getting more discussion on this board, not telling VVD exactly what I find wrong with his posting steeze specifically. If he can't respect that then that's on him.

The bigger man has already been proven. Read the thread. He challenged me multiple times. I responded multiple times with civility and reason. He said "I'm not gonna read your posts or talk to you" plus some insults. fukk am I supposed to do? It's like talking to an angry 6 year old. I can't beat him or put him on timeout.

I did not challenge you multiple times. I responded to what you posted the first time as part of a greater argument. I responded to true mac who defended you in lieu of you and the rest of the brigade who don't realize that from an outsider's point of view you all just look like one fest. You got offended, you called me names, tried to discredit my position by using ad hominem attack, etc. Let me know where I did that to any extent where you did. It's obvious you caught feelings. I mean it's always obvious when you catch feelings.

I challenged you once, and said that you will not find explicit examples of what you had said because you hadn't done it in the past. Am I wrong in assuming that you would fail to do it again? I moved on to addressing Exo. You were hurt because I no longer cared to argue with you (not that I cared to in the first place). What more do you want? I only have so much time in the day. Oh yeah and I taunted you with some shyt I borrowed from newark on a joke tip you had mad heart yo. That an inside joke.

So no, I did not end up looking like a hyprocrite because my point was about the tone of discourse, I just did not engage you at all because I knew it would end up like this. All of our debates do, and it seldom because of my doing. I don't even know why you're mad I included your name in the list of people who frequently espouse my opinion.

 

[acri1]

kick it off brother Exodus.

A true liberal is...

A true conservative is...

I'll make an attempt at this.

I'd say, in very general terms:

Liberals favor a low amount of government interference when it comes to individual liberties and personal issues, but favor more regulation when it comes to economic issues.

Conservatives favor a high degree of economic freedom, but favor more regulation when it comes to individual liberties and personal issues.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

There's an elitist attitude here. If you don't want to post here you are deemed intellectually inferior.

There's definitely a hostile attitude displayed towards those with differing opinions.

I do like reading HL though.

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[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

To add to that, VVD makes plenty of rational arguments and points. I don't understand the need to call someone a fakkit while doing so. A good, well thought out argument is the most potent form of ether.

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[No1]

I'll make an attempt at this.

I'd say, in very general terms:

Liberals favor a low amount of government interference when it comes to individual liberties and personal issues, but favor more regulation when it comes to economic issues.

Conservatives favor a high degree of economic freedom, but favor more regulation when it comes to individual liberties and personal issues.

I'll have to disagree with this one though, for a long time large segments of the Democratic Party (if we're using that as placeholder for liberal) did not like the idea of gay marriage or homosexuality for example. But they did not place it so high that they wouldn't vote for Democrats because of it. Look @ California, as a single issue, it got banned.

Voters having differing opinions, and it's really just what issues they view as more important and the extent to which they're willing to compromise it. It's not that simple.

BTW, let me get one last thing here clear. I like most of the people who post here (at thing sometimes you guys are hostile to supposed trolls), but that's not what my post was for. It was an attempt to change the discourse because I want more people to post in here. If it took me being contrarian to a lot of guys in here and offending some people that usually dap me up .

To quote Biggie, "Even when I was wrong I got my point across." So you can all hold me to this thread if I'm being a hyprocrite @Always-Right Liggins, can I get a stimulus package. My coli-cash is on E, I'm out here looking like a poor righteous moderator.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

And another thing, if I'm all about daps and preaching to the choir why am I practically begging new people to get on the podcast every time to hear different perspectives? I have personally asked Sly, Meta, and Kingpin to get on and I debated with Gundam up there twice and Sly once.

I welcome debate and differing opinions. You couldn't see me in a venue like that. You know you would get owned.

your problem is you see everything as a competition "you couldn't see me in a venue like that," LOL what is that even supposed to mean? what venue? That podcast is dope and all but stop it breh. There are things you are probably more well versed in than me and vice-versa, I'll be the first to admit that. I have no political affiliations, and even though I hold some conservative views, I am far from a republican. All I was saying is that if you're going to act like a political know-it-all all the time, why don't you go seek out people who are really going to challenge your views and hold them to the fire? No offense to the people who post here, but winning an e-argument here and there with coli posters isn't all that impressive. I'm not saying the people who post here are stupid because I'm including myself in the bunch too, but come on son.

Vic you're not a dumb person by any means but real talk there's nothing you say on here that I can't turn to MSNBC and hear repeated verbatim every single day. Nothing you say on here regarding politics is particularly interesting or invigorating....it's just the same old shyt I hear from progressives/leftists/whatever you want to call them: Religion sucks, the rich are evil, Republicans are stupid, vote for Obama....I mean, for all the time you spend posting here that's really all you ever say At least posters like Meta, Type, LeyT, and even Gundam have interesting ideas that have me like sometimes....yours are Why should anybody bother to read what you have to say when they can just go to huffingtonpost.com?

This country has been dominated by this silly two party system garbage for far too long and it hasn't helped anybody, I don't need any stats or figures to know that to be a fact....is that really worth a debate?

The premise of this thread is retarded....y'all say you want to discuss issues with "real conservatives" as if the ones here are stupid, not on your level, or whatever....if you really want to have those discussions, then sitting there waiting for some scholarly conservative academic type to show up on a hip-hop themed message board is a waste of time. If you really want it with them like that, then go to where THEY be at. Stop the posturing.

 

[Slystallion]

Damn I don't like seeing barnone and Victor fight... Both are cool proples.I think both guys have an excellent grasp of intellectual concepts and bring unique things to the table and I can respect both styles

I will say that throwing all voters on both sides into partisan caricatures is the equivalent of stereotyping nationalities...is there some truth to it sometimes yeah but ultimately people are much more nuanced and complicated and ideas and morals can be static people can learn new information and adjust all the time.

 

[No1]

your problem is you see everything as a competition "you couldn't see me in a venue like that," LOL what is that even supposed to mean? what venue? That podcast is dope and all but stop it breh. There are things you are probably more well versed in than me and vice-versa, I'll be the first to admit that. I have no political affiliations, and even though I hold some conservative views, I am far from a republican. All I was saying is that if you're going to act like a political know-it-all all the time, why don't you go seek out people who are really going to challenge your views and hold them to the fire? No offense to the people who post here, but winning an e-argument here and there with coli posters isn't all that impressive. I'm not saying the people who post here are stupid because I'm including myself in the bunch too, but come on son.

Vic you're not a dumb person by any means but real talk there's nothing you say on here that I can't turn to MSNBC and hear repeated verbatim every single day. Nothing you say on here regarding politics is particularly interesting or invigorating....it's just the same old shyt I hear from progressives/leftists/whatever you want to call them: Religion sucks, the rich are evil, Republicans are stupid, vote for Obama....I mean, for all the time you spend posting here that's really all you ever say At least posters like Meta, Gundam, LeyT, and even Type have interesting ideas that have me like sometimes....yours are Why should anybody bother to read what you have to say when they can just go to huffingtonpost.com?

This country has been dominated by this silly two party system garbage for far too long and it hasn't helped anybody, I don't need any stats or figures to know that to be a fact....is that really worth a debate?

The premise of this thread is retarded....y'all say you want to discuss issues with "real conservatives" as if the ones here are stupid, not on your level, or whatever....if you really want to have those discussions, then sitting there waiting for some scholarly conservative academic type to show up on a hip-hop themed message board is a waste of time. If you really want it with them like that, then go to where THEY be at. Stop the posturing.

I disagree on one point, and that's about getting conservatives to post here. I know lots of people who are more to the right that like hip hop. But it's not even about that, I'm looking for the people on here who are hip hop heads who are just on here day to day to post in here. It doesn't have to be WWE smackdown.

If HL is "more knowledgeable" then others are needed because the average laymen isn't that intuned with politics and that's who needs to be listening and partaking in the discussion. So maybe I should reformat my point take the conservative label away and just get new blood period. But VVD adds a lot here, telling him to post elsewhere isn't something that I think would be beneficial to the board.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Damn I don't like seeing barnone and Victor fight... Both are cool proples.I think both guys have an excellent grasp of intellectual concepts and bring unique things to the table and I can respect both styles

I will say that throwing all voters on both sides into partisan caricatures is the equivalent of stereotyping nationalities...is there some truth to it sometimes yeah but ultimately people are much more nuanced and complicated and ideas and morals can be static people can learn new information and adjust all the time.

Anyways, BarNone that was a good post I appreciate the response.

Perhaps the thread in of itself is flawed because the term "conservative" is not a catch all type thing?

My point was I can't vibe with the GOP and what it represents right now and has represented for quite some time. I feel like in my lifetime for the most part, that party has always been the representation of conservative ideas in this country and those ideas aren't exactly friendly to me or a lot of other people as far as race, economics, and foreign policy is concerned.

But I can see where that might be a bit misguided. Sly on the other hand is in the same barrel as Kingpin and other trolls and is not to be taken seriously.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I disagree on one point, and that's about getting conservatives to post here. I know lots of people who are more to the right that like hip hop. But it's not even about that, I'm looking for the people on here who are hip hop heads who are just on here day to day to post in here. It doesn't have to be WWE smackdown.

If HL is "more knowledgeable" then others are needed because the average laymen isn't that intuned with politics and that's who needs to be listening and partaking in the discussion. So maybe I should reformat my point take the conservative label away and just get new blood period. But VVD adds a lot here, telling him to post elsewhere isn't something that I think would be beneficial to the board.

I was just saying that with the nature of this forum it isn't realistic to wonder why there aren't more conservatives here ready to defend their views with the same fervor the liberals do. The liberals here will naturally outnumber the conservatives and drive the discourse.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

@BarNone these donations got a nikka looking like an Oil sheik.

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[No1]

@BarNone these donations got a nikka looking like an Oil sheik.

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You're not sharing breh? This is supposed to be crew love.

How can posters respect me when I talking using that Socrates swag.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I've mentioned this forum before but if you guys really want to see good liberal/conservative debates try this site: boards.straightdope.com most of the people there are liberals but there are also lots of conservatives who more more than capable of defending their point of view, and the discussion for the most part is pretty mature. I'm sure there are other sites out there but this is the one I'm most familiar with. Y'all should check it out. Go to "Great Debates" section.

 

[acri1]

I'll have to disagree with this one though, for a long time large segments of the Democratic Party (if we're using that as placeholder for liberal) did not like the idea of gay marriage or homosexuality for example. But they did not place it so high that they wouldn't vote for Democrats because of it. Look @ California, as a single issue, it got banned.

Voters having differing opinions, and it's really just what issues they view as more important and the extent to which they're willing to compromise it. It's not that simple.

Well I mean, not everybody that votes Dem is liberal on every issue, and vice versa. It's relative to the opposition party.

Generally people on the left are more likely to favor the government getting involved in economic/fiscal issues and support things like welfare, socialized medicine, food stamps, "entitlement" programs, regulating corporations, environmental regulation, etc. On the other hand they would generally be more permissive about social issues and decisions like gay marriage, abortion, sex-ed, etc.

People on the right tend to generally favor less government regulation when it comes to economic issues and are big on the free market. On the other hand they would tend to be more in favor of the government regulating things they see as immoral, like abortion, gay marriage, pornography, etc. regulated or outlawed.

Obviously just because somebody identifies as "liberal" or "conservative" doesn't mean they are on every issue, just that they lean in a particular direction.

If you don't agree then I'd be curious as to how you'd define them.

 

[No1]

Well I mean, not everybody that votes Dem is liberal on every issue, and vice versa. It's relative to the opposition party.

Generally people on the left are more likely to favor the government getting involved in economic/fiscal issues and support things like welfare, socialized medicine, food stamps, "entitlement" programs, regulating corporations, environmental regulation, etc. On the other hand they would generally be more permissive about social issues and decisions like gay marriage, abortion, sex-ed, etc.

People on the right tend to generally favor less government regulation when it comes to economic issues and are big on the free market. On the other hand they would tend to be more in favor of the government regulating things they see as immoral, like abortion, gay marriage, pornography, etc. regulated or outlawed.

Obviously just because somebody identifies as "liberal" or "conservative" doesn't mean they are on every issue, just that they lean in a particular direction.

If you don't agree then I'd be curious as to how you'd define them.

I think your generalizations are basically sound. But I think as I said earlier, I can't speak to the older generation that is the conservative base. They are who they are at this point. But people who identify that way who are between 18 and 35 are a bit different. I'd say they are not far away on a lot of social issues. I.E. gay marriage.

That's really it. Isn't that who we're talking to on here?