Real talk, the American Revolution was unnecessary

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Britain didn’t support the slave trade. Quiet as its kept, one of the principal reasons the colonists rebelled is because they wanted to maintain the system of slavery.

Yep. This is what the backlash to the 1619 project is all about. Gerald Horne wrote about this in 2014 so its weird to see conservatives mad that this might actually be true. White socialists hate it too because they think it minimizes the effect of white solidarity had in removing slavery

We really are all alone

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts

The Hidden Stakes of the 1619 Controversy

[The Counter Revolution of 1776] and [Race to Revolution] | C-SPAN.org

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I lowkey wonder what would've happened had France been more successful in north america

 

[Ozymandeas]

Britain didn’t support the slave trade. Quiet as its kept, one of the principal reasons the colonists rebelled is because they wanted to maintain the system of slavery.

I’ll give Britain a tiny modicum of credit for being the first superpower to move away from slavery but they basically made so much money from it they didn’t need the bad press anymore. It wasn’t because they were so morally superior to everyone else They just finally made enough to diversify away into other avenues of trade. They made billions off it. Just keep in mind all these period pieces that white people love like Downton Abbey, Pride & Prejudice, Emma, Sense & Sensibility, etc where they're living in massive country manors eating crumpets and drinking tea without a care in the world.....it’s because of slavery and colonialism. When the characters say that “father is off traveling in India or the Caribbean”, it means father was getting that slave money

 

[I Really Mean It]

I’ll give Britain a tiny modicum of credit for being the first superpower to move away from slavery but they basically made so much money from it they didn’t need the bad press anymore. It wasn’t because they were so much morally better than everyone else They just finally made enough to diversify away into other avenues of trade. They made billions off it. Just keep in mind all these period pieces that white people love like Downton Abbey, Pride & Prejudice, Emma, Sense & Sensibility, etc where they living in massive country manors eating crumpets and drinking tea without a care in the world.....it’s because of slavery and colonialism. When the characters say that “father is off traveling in India or the Caribbean”, it means father was getting that slave money

Let’s also not forget that Britain was colonizing black countries up into the 20th Century.

 

[The Fade]

Britain also treated natives better and wanted to trade with them but the rednecks kept intruding on land and got mad that people like Governor Wright wasn’t outright taking it. That’s why the ordinance was set up. The natives DID have a concept of land ownership.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I was with you till you said the US would have still become what it was had they retained their British overlords. What a hot take

 

[JadeB]

I was with you till you said the US would have still become what it was had they retained their British overlords. What a hot take

I meant that what would've become the US will be something similar to Canada or Australia. I just worded it funny.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I meant that what would've become the US will be something similar to Canada or Australia. I just worded it funny.

For the past at LEAST century, America has been the greatest nation on the planet. Canada and Australia are jokes compared to America, even now in America's twilight years. They still are peons compared to this country.

 

[JadeB]

In terms of mass genocide and subjugation of people, yes, but the U S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights would never have been created.

The US Bill of Rights had a precedent in the English Bill of Rights so its not a completely new concept. The Constitution , yes, would not exist but something like it would come in its place. No colony remains a colony forever so we would've had some autonomy and more eventually.

 

[JadeB]

For the past at LEAST century, America has been the greatest nation on the planet. Canada and Australia are jokes compared to America, even now in America's twilight years. They still are peons compared to this country.

I actually meant in terms that the US would've not been a powerful country at all but doing just OK like those two countries. Being OK is fine enough.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Britain didn’t support the slave trade. Quiet as its kept, one of the principal reasons the colonists rebelled is because they wanted to maintain the system of slavery.

The 1619 project addresses this, one of the reasons right wing cacs want to suppress it so badly.

 

[Smashius Clay]

Off topic, this is why the CAC tears and BS about BLM is so whack to me. The revolution the celebrate had patriots (rioters) throwing tea in the Boston Harbor (looting and destroying) before they engaged in literal warfare...over taxes.

Meanwhile Black people can't take a knee for 15s to protest getting murdered and manslaughtered



That's before we even get to this year's protests

The colonists had issues with the fact that they were being taxed without representation. In their minds, they were being unduly taxed because they had no say in the war against France, but the throne was taxing them so much because it cost money to protect those same colonies from the French during the 7 years war (plus wars cost money).

A second, and often overlooked reason why the colonists were upset with the British (and what literally kicked off the war) was the fact that the British army came to be seen as an occupying police force that didn't have the colonists best interests at heart.

Wait, that sounds familiar.

 

[qwer]

If the Revolution never happened, life would've be the same for the vast majority of people. African slaves would still be abuse. Natives would still be genocided off their land. Everyday cac colonists will still cac.

Only the rich landowners would really be affected and even then they would be probably pay a tiny increase of taxes.

The Patriots didn't have any real complaints other than tax increases and such. It was not like Algeria, Indonesia, Vietnam or Angola where the colonizing forces were oppressing them with ethnic cleansing, mass rape, discriminatory laws or endemic poverty. It was just one big Karen moment because they didn't want to follow basic rules

I'm not defending the British Empire, they were some of the worst and most flagrant political entities to grace the world but if the Thirteen Colonies remained just colonies, what we call the United States may be at least at a slightly better state today. Sort of like Canada or Australia and definitely not a superpower.

If America was still colonized by the British slavery would have ended earlier

 

[brandy]

If the Revolution never happened, life would've be the same for the vast majority of people. African slaves would still be abuse. Natives would still be genocided off their land. Everyday cac colonists will still cac.

Only the rich landowners would really be affected and even then they would be probably pay a tiny increase of taxes.

The Patriots didn't have any real complaints other than tax increases and such. It was not like Algeria, Indonesia, Vietnam or Angola where the colonizing forces were oppressing them with ethnic cleansing, mass rape, discriminatory laws or endemic poverty. It was just one big Karen moment because they didn't want to follow basic rules

I'm not defending the British Empire, they were some of the worst and most flagrant political entities to grace the world but if the Thirteen Colonies remained just colonies, what we call the United States may be at least at a slightly better state today. Sort of like Canada or Australia and definitely not a superpower.

History Grad Student here, You are right. For the average person, it did nothing. For middle class white men, it changed their entire world.

 

[Elim Garak]

Yeah thinking about it I agree if slavery ends sooner.