Real Talk Why is it such a problem when players want to go where they want?

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If you're gonna quote me (or anyone else for that matter), it would do you so much good to READ what you quote.

I'm talking about the draft. You're talking about free agency. What compelled you to quote me for your rant?

You've made were you stand about players leaving teams known bruh. It's bullshyt.

This is a possibility everywhere, in any sport. That doesn't mean you have to be happy about it, but that's a reality that sadly several teams just need to brace themselves for. The Wade's, Kobe's, the Stockton's, we might not ever see that again in the NBA, and if we do, we will only see this in select cities. That's what ruins shyt for a lot of people, the fact that you can try to do whatever you can and still realize that there's a countdown to their exit, sometimes, just because it's inherent.

Explain the Spurs and the Thunder then?

You guys are always picking on the EASY TARGET which is the players. But the real problem is these dumb ass owners and GMs that can never even make a team successful even when they have once in a generation players. They need to stop recycling the same ol losers for job after job at GM positions.

Why should a player languish for years on a team that only goes as far as they can drag them and then GET ALL THE BLAME when they lose to better teams year in and year out?

The spurs went and got young foreign players that are known to work hard and not feel entitled to things. They get players like Bruce Bowen and Kawi Lenord that are sleepers in the draft. They have kept Duncan happy for all these years and DESERVE for him to retire as a Spur. I don't look at it the other way around.
 

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You've made were you stand about players leaving teams known bruh. It's bullshyt.



Explain the Spurs and the Thunder then?

You guys are always picking on the EASY TARGET which is the players. But the real problem is these dumb ass owners and GMs that can never even make a team successful even when they have once in a generation players. They need to stop recycling the same ol losers for job after job at GM positions.

Why should a player languish for years on a team that only goes as far as they can drag them and then GET ALL THE BLAME when they lose to better teams year in and year out?

The spurs went and got young foreign players that are known to work hard and not feel entitled to things. They get players like Bruce Bowen and Kawi Lenord that are sleepers in the draft. They have kept Duncan happy for all these years and DESERVE for him to retire as a Spur. I don't look at it the other way around.
Damn powerful....But yet stay get the blame and count the non-rings and show loyalty and burn yourself out in the process thats the "right" way when those winning rings have great FO and great team with other options around them....smh
 

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You've made were you stand about players leaving teams known bruh. It's bullshyt.

Which is...? Enlighten me.


Explain the Spurs and the Thunder then?

You guys are always picking on the EASY TARGET which is the players. But the real problem is these dumb ass owners and GMs that can never even make a team successful even when they have once in a generation players. They need to stop recycling the same ol losers for job after job at GM positions.

Why should a player languish for years on a team that only goes as far as they can drag them and then GET ALL THE BLAME when they lose to better teams year in and year out?

The spurs went and got young foreign players that are known to work hard and not feel entitled to things. They get players like Bruce Bowen and Kawi Lenord that are sleepers in the draft. They have kept Duncan happy for all these years and DESERVE for him to retire as a Spur. I don't look at it the other way around.


There are owners that play to win and owners that play to make money. That's not lost on me. There are some teams that INHERENTLY have it easier than others. That's also not lost on me. The problem some have is that certain aspects aren't in teams' control, so certain things that keep some markets unattractive, great GM'ing and owning can't fix. I'm not picking on the players. I don't knock the players for what they prefer. I do lament teams that could never fit a player's preference no matter how hard they try. I've said many a time, I don't support contraction unless you inherently can't compete. The NBA happens to have situations that might reflect that. You know it. I know it. Many know it. We'd just rather see them play their position and acknowledge their position as a feeder team than be mad they can't be elite.
 

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Loyatly. You put forth your best effort to bring a ring to a team that had enough faith in you to draft you. You don't go hop on another nikka dikk on his team for rings.

there is no loyalty in sports, its a business. paul pierce was a celtic for 15 years and brought them another title.

look at what happened, danny ainge traded his ass
 

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Another example: Why didn't the Colts believe that Manning would come back better than ever after surgery?

What about the Bears not giving Urlacher the contract he wanted so he retired?

Where's the ''loyalty''??

MYTH.

because at the end of the day, its a business
 

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The thread starter has made this exact thread or a similar thread like 100 times.

We get it "Leave Lebron alone":sadbron:
 

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I'm not a fan of it. I don't like the spectacle that the players make of it. And I don't really like the player movement. But I do understand getting the much bang for your buck. So in that sense, I don't blame the players. Get paid young black men becuz if you under-perform, management ain't dishing you shyt.
 

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Which is...? Enlighten me.





There are owners that play to win and owners that play to make money. That's not lost on me. There are some teams that INHERENTLY have it easier than others. That's also not lost on me. The problem some have is that certain aspects aren't in teams' control, so certain things that keep some markets unattractive, great GM'ing and owning can't fix. I'm not picking on the players. I don't knock the players for what they prefer. I do lament teams that could never fit a player's preference no matter how hard they try. I've said many a time, I don't support contraction unless you inherently can't compete. The NBA happens to have situations that might reflect that. You know it. I know it. Many know it. We'd just rather see them play their position and acknowledge their position as a feeder team than be mad they can't be elite.

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You keep ignoring certain things to make your argument make sense to you. You still haven't explained to me why San Antonio or OKC have been a top tier team the last couple of years. Its been Damn near 20 years on The Spurs end.

OKC and SA have just as many disadvantages that a Minnesota or Cleveland or Charlotte might have so how have they been so good all these years?

Lets make it even more easy the smallest market in the NBA is MEMPHIS yet they are always in the mix for a Western Conference Title year in and year out. They seem to have no problem locking up their franchise guys, no? Why are the disadvantages you speak of not hindering them from being a NBA talent wasteland?

Some of y'all need to just realize that your favorite franchise isn't run well, and stop blaming the players.
 
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You keep ignoring certain things to make your argument make sense to you. You still haven't explained to me why San Antonio or OKC have been a top tier team the last couple of years. Its been Damn near 20 years on The Spurs end.

Luck has a lot to do with it, but that's an easy out. It does start with being able to land the right player. The Spurs and OKC have 2 franchise guys that were committed to building it there and saw shyt through, especially Durant. For example. Kyrie Irving's about to start year 3 in Cleveland and there's already talk about where he might go later on. With KD, people forget the Thunder were not good those first 3 years, but they were allotted patience. Their fans didn't demand quick results; they were happy just to have a team. Their management wasn't under fire; ownership trusted Sam Presti (and let's be clear, you'd be hard pressed to find people that would call Clay Bennett a good owner, and despite all the goodwill Presti has built up, it took a James Harden trade for everyone to start questioning what the hell he's doing.

The Spurs to me are like the Colts. They've had an A-1 bonafide hall of fame franchise big on their roster since 1989. Robinson /Duncan is like Manning /Luck in that they've been wildly lucky to have that presence on a roster. They haven't had to wonder who would be the face of their organization moving forward for 24 years. That's freakish.

OKC and SA have just as many disadvantages that a Minnesota or Cleveland or Charlotte might have so how have they been so good all these years?

But they don't. Between weather and no income tax, San Antonio's not dealing from a position of weakness, whereas unless you're Chicago or Detroit, there's a nickname for your region. It's called "flyover country," meaning you don't wanna be there; you just wanna fly over it. Much of it is blurted out by writers, and I'll tell you, in my time working in the sports business, the press would rather not travel to flyover country if they don't have to, so you'll never seen an outpouring of support to make these teams better.

Lets make it even more easy the smallest market in the NBA is MEMPHIS yet they are always in the mix for a Western Conference Title year in and year out. They seem to have no problem locking up their franchise guys, no? Why are the disadvantages you speak of not hindering them from being a NBA talent wasteland?
and here's the irony of Memphis: they built that squad under BAD MANAGEMENT. They traded Pau for (at the time) pennies-- and got killed for it, they drafted Thabeet 2nd overall in that draft class, traded Kevin Love the year prior, maxed out Rudy Gay, and gave Conley $9 mil a year before he ever proved he could justify that with his play. That's not good management. That's called shyt breaking right for you in spite of it. 4--5 years ago, Chris Wallace was the joke of the NBA. Now, that team's damn near a model franchise. If you're gonna use an example, Indiana would best serve your argument, not Memphis. Memphis is very much an outlier.

And fukk it I EASILY blame ownership for my team's problems (again, I don't know why you're assuming I blame the players when I never have). I want my owner dead for crying out loud. What more do you want? :laugh:
 

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The thread starter has made this exact thread or a similar thread like 100 times.

We get it "Leave Lebron alone":sadbron:
Wrong I see the hate for Melo and I am big Knicks fan they have not won since phil jackson was playing and that guy is 70.....Im just being real when a players wants to leave for any reason why the hate and stupid stuff? Barkley was acting the fool back then trying to get out of philly before his contract was over Shaq left Moses left. Why are these guys villians? It makes no sense
 

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The thread starter has made this exact thread or a similar thread like 100 times.

We get it "Leave Lebron alone":sadbron:
You wouldn't be saying this if your ''gawd'' actually got traded to Detroit in 2007. So sit your bytch ass down.
 

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Most people only have a problem with it when it negatively affects/doesn't benefit their interests. Same people shytting on one player for doing it will turn around and be :dj2: if a player choses their squad.
 

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I still don't understand why fans get so damn upset like they are pure evil? So what if a player is a free agent and want to leave or wants a trade to a certain team.:dry:

1. Is it okay for a team to trade you when they don't want you no more so they can "Flip" you for someone else?
2. But when your not happy and you see a team you can fit on better or for what ever reason you get treated like a animal when you want to leave.....Its crazy breh
Im a Knicks fan and if Melo wants to leave so be it I am not gonna burn his jersey or make endless youtube vids about it he is a grown man.
Usually, it's when you are not happy with the head coach and/or GM.
Patrick Roy was so ticked off with the head coach over one incident (and there was probably other beefs he had), he wanted to get traded off the team where he was one of the super stars/team icons.
Michael Cammalieri got traded mid-game two seasons ago. He got traded during a game. He unsuited in the locker room and left.
 
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