Recep Tayyip Erdogan wins Turkey's first direct presidential election w/ 53% of the vote

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My main issues is with the khaleejis. I know North African brehs don't have as much resources to help beleaguered Muslims. Syria was the ONLY Arab country to accept Somali refugees without papers (as they did for the Iraqis too). Syria did it because Somalia has been in the Arab League since 1974 :lolbron:

With that said, seeing how complicit these countries have been with the issues with Gaza and how they have abandoned the Palestinians for decades I'm not surprised by how they've treated African Muslims seeking asylum specifically Sudanese and Somalis who are from countries that are part of their federation :pacspit:

While North Africans, for the most part, don't go out their ways to fukk up black people/muslims there's a certain level of disusting racism among the people. I blame the arab nationalism for that. Algeria used to be supportive of revolutionary movements such as the Black Panthers and the African liberation movements but it's no longer the case. Arabs countries definitely abondoned the Palestinian cause a long time ago after suffering losses and just deiciding to hide and turn their heads on them.
 

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No surprise Al Shabaab retreated after he visited and been coppin pleas ever since

The Turkish Embassy in Mogadishu is massive :wow:

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these nikkas got a beach in the embassy :wow:
 

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Fight against those trying to destabilize your country's progress and be branded extremist. He knows those "protests" trying to overthrow his government were sponsored from powers outside his country with the help of Turkish collaborators. This is a democracy. He has an overwhelming support of his people and they obviously support his politics.

I am full of admiration and respect for the AKP with Erdogan and Gul leading the way the past decade. If anyone wants an example of a Muslim movement it is their movement.

They have achieved the impossible.

1. Defanged and dislodged from power what was basically a military dictatorship in all but name.
2. They did this using democracy and the people's power and the law.

They played by the rules that were stacked against them and won.

The constitution that was put in place a few years back defangs the millitary.

The secularists (anti-Muslims) still dominate the military hierarchy but this will change in the next 10-20 years.
Currently today you will not be promoted as an officer, no matter how excellent you are if people see you pray regularly or avoid alcohol.
This will change, the AKP have already removed the handicaps from the school system.

In the past you would be graded down a few percentiles if you studied in a school that teaches Islamic studies as a subject. Even if it is an elective. You would not be able to get into Military College at all..


Finally it all comes down to economics. The small and medium businesses that have been driving growth since the 70's are dominated by traditional Muslims. These businesses also dominate the high tech electronics and manufacturing industries. The secularists kept themselves the massive state enterprises that have become non-profitable.

The secularists bet on the wrong horse and have lost. Attempting to join the EU, forced them to liberalize and allow more democracy.
More democracy allowed a Muslim party to rule a Muslim country.
Secularists are just about 20-25% of the population. Its high number because of the Alevis and the Donmbe minorities that just plain do not like Muslims/Islam.

There is a reason why Erdogan despite the the past couple years with the corruption issue, the protests, etc is still very popular.

However, his autocratic tendencies are starting to grow and he has lost control of what the sense is on the streets. He has become more reactionary the past few years. Gul is unhappy with the direction of the country as well. This election is a huge gamble by Erdogan no matter how one slices it.

The economic situation which has been very good for the last decade is an ongoing issue and may turn into a crisis soon.

The Turkish economy is heavily in debt, and the debt is the worst kind, short term debts.
They have had to resort to short term loans from the UAE and Saudi, this is why they have been quiet about their support for the Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) and their offshoots.
They dont want to upset the Saudis and UAE further because these two are keeping the Turkish economy from dropping.

The cause for this problem is too much fuel imports, Turkey desperately needs access to cheaper fuel. This is why it is breaking Iran sanctions, and this is why they will deal with Kurdistan.

If there is oil discovered in Somalila/Somaliland, Turkey will be the first customer, even though Genel is no longer a Turkish company, the main shareholder is the Rothschilds.
 
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Hilarious. Roll with the winners baby

Meanwhile the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the Mad Mullah had declared jihad on Britain :damn:

Cacs gave us that work :wow:

nikkaz made it outta the 19th century by the skin of our teeth. :whew:

Brits lucky they was running with us or we woulda gave the Mullah refuge to carry out attacks. This was when colonialism was eviscerating the region in unimaginable ways. nikkaz was only out for self at that point. :to:
 

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nikkaz made it outta the 19th century by the skin of our teeth. :whew:

Brits lucky they was running with us or we woulda gave the Mullah refuge to carry out attacks. This was when colonialism was eviscerating the region in unimaginable ways. nikkaz was only out for self at that point. :to:

Seriously though..I respect the Habeshas. You know how to play the international game and have done so for a long time.

E.g Barre's recklessness and Mengistu's diplomacy with regard to the Russians. But that's a discussion for another day.
 

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Seriously though..I respect the Habeshas. You know how to play the international game and have done so for a long time.

E.g Barre's recklessness and Mengistu's diplomacy with regard to the Russians. But that's a discussion for another day.

It's pretty remarkable. Mistakes were made which still resonate today, but what was done was still amazing given the time period.
 

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My akhi Erdogan with another win :blessed:

AKP gang :blessed:

Murking them secular simps for a decade :blessed:

Ataturk policies straight to the bushes :blessed:

Erdogan, Abdullah Gul, Islamic Turkey we back :blessed:
 

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how is ataturk seen in turkey today? misguided atheist?

Mustafa Kemal was definitely an atheist or agnostic. But Erdogan and the rest of the country see him as the father of the nation who let the political process develop.

Erdogan sees himself as a democratic successor to Mustafa Kemal.

The Turkish Muslims owe their success ironically to the secular nationalists like Attaturk and Inonnu.

They were responsible for keeping Turkey free and independant.
The anti-muslim secularists with the godfather Mustafa Kemal were nationalists of the highest order.

You need a genuine nationlistic group of people that value freedom....

Unfortunately, most Muslim countries are simply ruled by a dictatorship of treasonous criminals that will easily sell their own mother for the smallest profit..

This is the main problem, and the wahabi virus that has spread from our brothers in the Najd to the whole Muslim world has confused everyone and prevented discussion of the most important issues by making everyone focus on mere dogma and the appearance of piety.

Arabs have the trauma of colonialism and its long lasting debilitating effects. The Turks survived that thanks to Attaturk.

Because of colonialism the Arabs have been fukked with by lots of different western ideologies and been bullied.
They have reverted to Islam as a way to cope, but they reverted increasingly to a narrow, dry interpretation that has come from our brothers in the Nejd.

The Turks have had secularism forced down their throats and at gunpoint, but they survived, and they remained Muslim. The accidental positive side effect was that Turkey was shielded form Salafism/Wahhabism.

The result of this is that the Turkish peoples interpretation of Islam has not changed and was the same as everyone elses before the 1970's.

Before the 70's everyone was like the Turks. After the 70's especially in a place like Somalia we have seen a huge change.

The appearance of piety and small issues like women's clothes has taken the forefront over important issues like unity of nations, Muslim cooperation and unity, economic development, etc, etc.
 
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the guy is a fascist, not surprised you guys like him.
 
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